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Old 11-23-2012, 11:21 PM   #621
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Today from Nasdaq -

http://community.nasdaq.com/News/201...storyid=192356

I hate stories like this as I love 3D. Claims it has failed again, yet does not mention that 4 out the top 5 grossing movies are 3D.
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:22 AM   #622
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Today from Nasdaq -

http://community.nasdaq.com/News/201...storyid=192356

I hate stories like this as I love 3D. Claims it has failed again, yet does not mention that 4 out the top 5 grossing movies are 3D.
1. Gone With The Wind
2. Star Wars
3. The Sound of Music
4. E.T. - The Extra-Terrestrial
5. Titanic

1 out of 5, and it was post-converted fifteen years later.

The other list;

1. Avatar
2. Titanic
3. The Avengers
4. The Dark Knight
5. Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace

Does not account for inflation, or the increased ticket price of 3D. Plus, two of these movies were post-converted over a decade later, after they'd made the bulk of their profit.

Love 3D as much as you want, I do too. But we can't deny its fading popularity. Auto-stereoscopic/holography will save it, but don't hold your breath for them.

You'll have to wait for the 3D revolution, ver 4.0!

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Old 11-24-2012, 09:04 PM   #623
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1. Gone With The Wind
2. Star Wars
3. The Sound of Music
4. E.T. - The Extra-Terrestrial
5. Titanic

1 out of 5, and it was post-converted fifteen years later.

The other list;

1. Avatar
2. Titanic
3. The Avengers
4. The Dark Knight
5. Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace

Does not account for inflation, or the increased ticket price of 3D. Plus, two of these movies were post-converted over a decade later, after they'd made the bulk of their profit.

Love 3D as much as you want, I do too. But we can't deny its fading popularity. Auto-stereoscopic/holography will save it, but don't hold your breath for them.

You'll have to wait for the 3D revolution, ver 4.0!
Mate, your wrong, sorry, here it is from box office mojo-



WORLDWIDE GROSSES
#1-100 - #101-200 - #201-300 - #301-400 - #401-500 - #501-504

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Rank

Title

Studio

Worldwide

Domestic / %

Overseas / %

Year^



1

Avatar

Fox

$2,782.3

$760.5

27.3%

$2,021.8

72.7%

2009^



2

Titanic

Par.

$2,185.4

$658.7

30.1%

$1,526.7

69.9%

1997^



3

Marvel's The Avengers

BV

$1,511.8

$623.4

41.2%

$888.4

58.8%

2012



4

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2

WB

$1,328.1

$381.0

28.7%

$947.1

71.3%

2011



5

Transformers: Dark of the Moon

P/DW

$1,123.7

$352.4

31.4%

$771.4

68.6%

2011

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Actually I was wrong, its 5 from 5.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:09 PM   #624
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1. Gone With The Wind
2. Star Wars
3. The Sound of Music
4. E.T. - The Extra-Terrestrial
5. Titanic

1 out of 5, and it was post-converted fifteen years later.

The other list;

1. Avatar
2. Titanic
3. The Avengers
4. The Dark Knight
5. Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace

Does not account for inflation, or the increased ticket price of 3D.
so? times change, the second one is based on ac tual numbers while the first one is based on made up useless numbers that come out of no where.

Does the first list take into consideration, for example, that when Gone With The Wind came out there was nothing else to do (no TV, no PCs) and so movies where one of the very few activities for people back then? That back then a ticket was a fraction of a low end hourly wage while now they can be several times one (i.e. I just watched skyfall in Imax and the ticket was 20$, that means someone making minimum wage here they would need to work more hours then the running length of the film). Does it take into consideration that today I can see a film in theatres or at home a few weeks later but there was a time when the only option was to see a film in the theatres and so many of those films were re-released in theatres over the years because they thought people would want to re-see them. Does the first list take into consideration that today there are very very few second run theatres, but that for some of the films there were many second and thrid run theatres where the prices were practicaly free so teenagers did not care what was playing since buying the ticket there was all about having a nice dark room to make out in.

For some films the ticket sales are known, for others they are not and so it comes down to making up a guess at how many ticket sold based on revenue and then multiplying it with a fake number to give a guess of how well it would do today.

And in this discussion it makes even less sense to look at the adjusted chart. Why? in 2010 when Avatar’s numbers shot them to #1, they had the adjusted for inflation as lower then what it actually did in revenue, why? because most films were in 2D 2009 and so the “adjusted” ticket price was a lot more heavily influenced by 2D ticket price, today because there are a lot of films in 3D the average ticket price is higher and even in many ways the prices of tickets have not really changed the “adjusted ticket price” has.

PS also the adjusted chart is only for the US and so completely meaningless.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:44 PM   #625
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Mate, your wrong, sorry, here it is from box office mojo-
actually he used http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
because studios don't make decisions on how much people spend in the world but only on some made up number that is only limited to the US
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:03 PM   #626
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PS also the adjusted chart is only for the US and so completely meaningless.
Actually, the discussion is centered on box office receipts, and thus is completely meaningless.

The ridiculous game - which has devolved into some kind of "horse race" statistics - is that of counting box office receipts, over some defined amount of time. We get the wacky stuff:
  • Opening Weekend Numbers
  • Movie A vs Movie B on opening weekend
  • How the movie did with some age group or the other
  • Movie receipts by rating
  • How much money did it make since "X" date (Christmas, your birthday, whatever)
  • What season it was released in
These are games the studios play, of little or no interest to the consumer at all. Either you want to see the movie, or you don't. More importantly, do you want to got to the theater or not - this is increasingly a huge question.

Studios can pile up some cash pretty quickly, with a short chain from the theater to their bank accounts - fewer middlemen. Going the video route has more costs, and more fingers dipping into that stream of money - but the river can run for years if you have a hit, and ultimately return more cash, in many cases.

Since there are no same day theater and video releases, they can keep that quiet. Hold off on releasing the video, and the cash comes in faster. As far as revenue, and eyeballs on the film, video wins - some of the same theatergoers double dip, and I hate to shock people or commit heresy, but most people don't go to theaters. Many do, but most don't, or go very rarely. Virtually all buy videos.

If any statistic does not include total box office plus total video sales, since the time of initial release - it's immaterial. You will have a tough time getting these numbers, because it is not in the producer's interests to make the public privy to that information.

As long as the nightly newscaster can breathlessly give this week's box office number and give the absolutely moronic "who won this weekend" numbers, the public will be fooled.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:56 PM   #627
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Actually, the discussion is centered on box office receipts, and thus is completely meaningless.

The ridiculous game - which has devolved into some kind of "horse race" statistics - is that of counting box office receipts, over some defined amount of time. We get the wacky stuff://

I hate to shock people or commit heresy, but most people don't go to theaters. Many do, but most don't, or go very rarely. Virtually all buy videos.

As long as the nightly newscaster can breathlessly give this week's box office number and give the absolutely moronic "who won this weekend" numbers, the public will be fooled.
Interesting info, thanks.
New movie theaters have gone up in my area in the past 4 years, and they're doing well enough to stay in business past the first year (still open). So even though a lot of people I ask "Do you go to the movie theater to see a movie, or just rent/buy it?", end up saying, "I buy/rent it", myself and a good number of others are keeping the theaters alive and well thankfully, for the foreseeable future.

I love the movie theater. It's like entering another world. Cinemark does a great job with the theater experience, seating, movie times, selection, 3D, etc.

As far as 3D movies, I'd say 2013's line up of 3D movies is a good example, along with the huge movie Hobbit 3D, that 3D is not dying, but remaining strong, thanks to stronger 3D efforts by studios like Dreamworks, etc.

Many senior citizens could care less about 3D (not all), but I agree that 3D will go mainstream when we can buy a glasses-free 3DTV for the same price as a 2DTV. I'd say within the next 8 years hopefully.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:51 AM   #628
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Interesting info, thanks.
New movie theaters have gone up in my area in the past 4 years, and they're doing well enough to stay in business past the first year (still open). So even though a lot of people I ask "Do you go to the movie theater to see a movie, or just rent/buy it?", end up saying, "I buy/rent it", myself and a good number of others are keeping the theaters alive and well thankfully, for the foreseeable future.
They're not going anywhere, but they're a niche. The whole "experience" thing is enchanting for folks who can't afford that kind of faux opulence and presentation at home, but more folks are getting around to it. Once, there were only sqare television screens, and little built-in speakers - that's changing.

But as long as people are compressed into shared living spaces, such as apartments and condominiums, or folks they live with or near can't handle the noise - they'll feel the need to get the heck out of there and go to a movie - and theaters will be there. It's a lot cheaper to go to the show than it is to build up a big home theater.

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I love the movie theater. It's like entering another world. Cinemark does a great job with the theater experience, seating, movie times, selection, 3D, etc.

As far as 3D movies, I'd say 2013's line up of 3D movies is a good example, along with the huge movie Hobbit 3D, that 3D is not dying, but remaining strong, thanks to stronger 3D efforts by studios like Dreamworks, etc.
I always look over my shoulder when adjectives like "huge" and "blockbuster" get use, because what's huge at the local high school isn't huge at the old folk's home, and vice versa. With ticket prices what they are, I like to do the long division to see how many actual people, not dollar bills, flow into the theater. It's a whole new way of looking at things.

3D isn't going to "die", but it will change. It has to, so all markets - theaters, video, and broadcast - can actually be utilized by folks without destroying their budgets.

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Many senior citizens could care less about 3D (not all), but I agree that 3D will go mainstream when we can buy a glasses-free 3DTV for the same price as a 2DTV. I'd say within the next 8 years hopefully.
It's mostly the under-25 market that's enamored of it - over that age, and they don't give a hoot about Harry Potter, Hobbits, or any of it. If that market is supplied with a product they can afford, they'll buy it. It will all work out.
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Old 12-28-2012, 06:12 PM   #629
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Hey everyone ,

Well, I have just ordered my LG Passive 3D TV, and I have got a very basic question (which may sound very stupid to some lol):

If I have a 3D movie, which is side-by-side , like this:



Can I view this movie as blurry in passive 3D (Anaglyph)?

I don't have the glasses for the active 3D types, just for the passive ones.

Please let me know.

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Hey everyone ,

Well, I have just ordered my LG Passive 3D TV, and I have got a very basic question (which may sound very stupid to some lol):

If I have a 3D movie, which is side-by-side , like this:



Can I view this movie as blurry in passive 3D (Anaglyph)?

I don't have the glasses for the active 3D types, just for the passive ones.

Please let me know.

Thanks.
I'm a little confused by the way you wrote this. You said you have a *passive* 3D TV, but say you don't have *active* 3D glasses, and then also refer to passive 3D followed up with "anaglyph".

Are you asking if the red/blue style glasses will work on side by side 3D? If so, no they won't. To view side by side, you will need the glasses that are compatible with your TV. If your TV is passive, you need passive glasses. If your TV is active, you'll need active glasses.
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I'm a little confused by the way you wrote this. You said you have a *passive* 3D TV, but say you don't have *active* 3D glasses, and then also refer to passive 3D followed up with "anaglyph".

Are you asking if the red/blue style glasses will work on side by side 3D? If so, no they won't.
In the words of Inigo Montoya, that word, I do not think it means what you think it means...
"Anaglyph", as you hear it mentioned around these parts, refers to those old red/blue color glasses from the 90's, and good danged riddance.

If you were looking for the word meaning "Passive" = "Cheap plastic polarized theater glasses", you MIGHT have a set that can convert Side-By-Side clips into the set's chosen 3DTV format...Check your instruction manual.
If so, and you have a smart YouTube connection that can search SBS clips onscreen, then, yes, if you dig up a SBS clip and your set can convert, it should be able to display them in a manner the glasses are accustomed to.
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"Anaglyph", as you hear it mentioned around these parts, refers to those old red/blue color glasses from the 90's, and good danged riddance.
Yes, that's what I said and then said those would not work on side by side.

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Sorry if I have confused you guys:

Basically:
There r two types of 3d movies arent they? side by side and the blurry ones. If i get a movie that is side-by-side in 3d, is it possible to change the 3d mode on that movie to blurry?

so can any 3d film be shown in side-by-side and blurry?
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Sorry if I have confused you guys:

Basically:
There r two types of 3d movies arent they? side by side and the blurry ones. If i get a movie that is side-by-side in 3d, is it possible to change the 3d mode on that movie to blurry?

so can any 3d film be shown in side-by-side and blurry?
There are several types of formats that render 3D. 1080P High resolution for each eye, - 3D authored on Blu-ray discs use "frame-packing" (see the [PDF] of Stereoscopic 3D Video in the Home - SpectraCal or via Quick View ).

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Why is Hollywood pushing 3D so much? Disney finally figured it out by cancelling its re-release of Little Mermaid on 3D. Haven't they figured out that 3D is purely a gimmick that "almost" no one likes. I haven't posted on this forum in a really long time; but I couldnt help myself with this little rant.

No one wants to wear glasses!
No one wants to get dizzy!
No one wants aching eyes!

The only reason people buy 3D TV's is because it happens to be included in the TV they want. I bet if you put identical TV's in 3D and non 3D on the market and charged a little less for the other identical TV, practically no one would pay for it, hence the low penetration rate of 3D blurays.

Sorry for my rant, but thanks for reading. Go ahead and bash for those few who enjoy 3D.
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Who gets dizzy from watching 3D movies? I have never heard of that happening before. 3D is not a gimmick, it has gotten to a point now for me that I love watching 3D in the theatre. Almost everyone I know feels the same way and loves to watch 3D movies, I don't know what your talking about.
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The only reason people buy 3D TV's is because it happens to be included in the TV they want. I bet if you put identical TV's in 3D and non 3D on the market and charged a little less for the other identical TV, practically no one would pay for it, hence the low penetration rate of 3D blurays.
Y'know, if you're trying to go for "logical" arguments, try and keep the personal "betting" out of it. We've got state laws against that.
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Y'know, if you're trying to go for "logical" arguments, try and keep the personal "betting" out of it. We've got state laws against that.
Let what happens in Vegas stay in Vegas.
Nicely put! I like to laugh.

I think my 3D glasses are in the closet next to my yo-yo and pogs. Little Mermaid cancelled? Damn... I was looking forward to that. Disney does a great job with its converted cartoons. We still get the HD, don't we?
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I purchased my 3D TV because I wanted 3D. Glasses don't bother me either
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