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Old 12-20-2012, 07:21 PM   #601
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Given that ^, though for some sensitive perspective, one of the things which I deeply care about, are the relatively forgotten in the world… http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....86#post2053771
And that includes all of our 2 and 4 legged friends, such as baby elephants http://vimeo.com/54499106

C’mon Jim (Jannard), I need to see stuff like this ^ in native 4K on REDRAY thru Odemax. Let’s hear some content announcements at the upcoming Sundance Film Festival. Enough with the 4K hardware specs which RED fan-atics are sending me.
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Given that ^, though for some sensitive perspective, one of the things which I deeply care about, are the relatively forgotten in the world… http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....86#post2053771

And, on a more human note, as I revealed somewhere back in this thread before The Hobbit debuted stateside, was that for theater-goers not to be surprised if the 3D HFR version would not have any closed captions, or "subtitles for the hard of hearing" as they like to refer to it across the pond in the U.K. and Ireland (b.t.w., to tob and Steedeel, when I say “speed”, you should think ‘pace’).

Anyway, the above noted cinematic deficiency is something the industry needs to address as a priority as soon as possible. So….To the hearing impaired who may be reading this (and I know we have at least several members here), you are not forgotten and let me assure you that people in the industry are working on this as we speak.
Well, well, that would explain a lot. I've been looking all over the place to see if any of the theatres were providing closed captions on this particular movie during the HFR presentation.

I'm disappointed.
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So what movie was 96Khz, penton?

Or are you still not ready to say?
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Well, well, that would explain a lot. I've been looking all over the place to see if any of the theatres were providing closed captions on this particular movie during the HFR presentation.

I'm disappointed.
In the motion picture business, we definitely need more people having qualities like this…
http://www-nc.nytimes.com/2012/12/16...zEvLusRXi96fA&

Read the article thru the last page ^….”Neither the institute nor Dr. House made any money on the implant”.
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For those having difficulty in accessing the article -

Dr. William F. House, a medical researcher who braved skepticism to invent the cochlear implant, an electronic device considered to be the first to restore a human sense, died on Dec. 7 at his home in Aurora, Ore. He was 89. The cause was metastatic melanoma, his daughter, Karen House, said.

Dr. House pushed against conventional thinking throughout his career. Over the objections of some, he introduced the surgical microscope to ear surgery. Tackling a form of vertigo that doctors had believed was psychosomatic, he developed a surgical procedure that enabled the first American in space to travel to the moon. Peering at the bones of the inner ear, he found enrapturing beauty.

Even after his ear-implant device had largely been supplanted by more sophisticated, and more expensive, devices, Dr. House remained convinced of his own version’s utility and advocated that it be used to help the world’s poor.

Today, more than 200,000 people in the world have inner-ear implants, a third of them in the United States. A majority of young deaf children receive them, and most people with the implants learn to understand speech with no visual help.

Hearing aids amplify sound to help the hearing-impaired. But many deaf people cannot hear at all because sound cannot be transmitted to their brains, however much it is amplified. This is because the delicate hair cells that line the cochlea, the liquid-filled spiral cavity of the inner ear, are damaged. When healthy, these hairs — more than 15,000 altogether — translate mechanical vibrations produced by sound into electrical signals and deliver them to the auditory nerve.

Dr. House’s cochlear implant electronically translated sound into mechanical vibrations. His initial device, implanted in 1961, was eventually rejected by the body. But after refining its materials, he created a long-lasting version and implanted it in 1969.

More than a decade would pass before the Food and Drug Administration approved the cochlear implant, but when it did, in 1984, Mark Novitch, the agency’s deputy commissioner, said, “For the first time a device can, to a degree, replace an organ of the human senses.”

One of Dr. House’s early implant patients, from an experimental trial, wrote to him in 1981 saying, “I no longer live in a world of soundless movement and voiceless faces.”

But for 27 years, Dr. House had faced stern opposition while he was developing the device. Doctors and scientists said it would not work, or not work very well, calling it a cruel hoax on people desperate to hear. Some said he was motivated by the prospect of financial gain. Some criticized him for experimenting on human subjects. Some advocates for the deaf said the device deprived its users of the dignity of their deafness without fully integrating them into the hearing world.

Even when the American Academy of Ophthalmology and Otolaryngology endorsed implants in 1977, it specifically denounced Dr. House’s version. It recommended more complicated versions, which were then under development and later became the standard.

But his work is broadly viewed as having sped the development of implants and enlarged understanding of the inner ear. Jack Urban, an aerospace engineer, helped develop the surgical microscope as well as mechanical and electronic aspects of the House implant.

Karl White, founding director of the National Center for Hearing Assessment and Management, said in an interview that it would have taken a decade longer to invent the cochlear implant without Dr. House’s contributions. He called him “a giant in the field.”

After embracing the use of the microscope in ear surgery, Dr. House developed procedures — radical for their time — for removing tumors from the back portion of the brain without causing facial paralysis; they cut the death rate from the surgery to less than 1 percent from 40 percent.

He also developed the first surgical treatment for Meniere’s disease, which involves debilitating vertigo and had been viewed as a psychosomatic condition. His procedure cured the astronaut Alan B. Shepard Jr. of the disease, clearing him to command the Apollo 14 mission to the moon in 1971. In 1961, Shepard had become the first American launched into space.

In presenting Dr. House with an award in 1995, the American Academy of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery Foundation said, “He has developed more new concepts in otology than almost any other single person in history.”

William Fouts House was born in Kansas City, Mo., on Dec. 1, 1923. When he was 3 his family moved to Whittier, Calif., where he grew up on a ranch. He did pre-dental studies at Whittier College and the University of Southern California, and earned a doctorate in dentistry at the University of California, Berkeley. After serving his required two years in the Navy — and filling the requisite 300 cavities a month — he went back to U.S.C. to pursue an interest in oral surgery. He earned his medical degree in 1953. After a residency at Los Angeles County Hospital, he joined the Los Angeles Foundation of Otology, a nonprofit research institution founded by his brother, Howard. Today it is called the House Research Institute.

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Many at the time thought ear surgery was a declining field because of the effectiveness of antibiotics in dealing with ear maladies. But Dr. House saw antibiotics as enabling more sophisticated surgery by diminishing the threat of infection.

When his brother returned from West Germany with a surgical microscope, Dr. House saw its potential and adopted it for ear surgery; he is credited with introducing the device to the field. But again there was resistance. As Dr. House wrote in his memoir, “The Struggles of a Medical Innovator: Cochlear Implants and Other Ear Surgeries” (2011), some eye doctors initially criticized his use of a microscope in surgery as reckless and unnecessary for a surgeon with good eyesight.

Dr. House also used the microscope as a research tool. One night a week he would take one to a morgue for use in dissecting ears to gain insights that might lead to new surgical procedures. His initial reaction, he said, was how beautiful the bones seemed; he compared the experience to one’s first view of the Grand Canyon. His wife, the former June Stendhal, a nurse, often helped.

She died in 2008 after 64 years of marriage. In addition to his daughter, Dr. House is survived by a son, David; three grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren.

The implant Dr. House invented used a single channel to deliver information to the hearing system, as opposed to the multiple channels of competing models. The 3M Company, the original licensee of the House implant, sold its rights to another company, the Cochlear Corporation, in 1989. Cochlear later abandoned his design in favor of the multichannel version.

But Dr. House continued to fight for his single-electrode approach, saying it was far cheaper, and offered voluminous material as evidence of its efficacy. He had hoped to resume production of it and make it available to the poor around the world.

Neither the institute nor Dr. House made any money on the implant. He never sought a patent on any of his inventions, he said, because he did not want to restrict other researchers. A nephew, Dr. John House, the current president of the House institute, said his uncle had made the deal to license it to the 3M Company not for profit but simply to get it built by a reputable manufacturer. Reflecting on his business decisions in his memoir, Dr. House acknowledged, “I might be a little richer today.”
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So what movie was 96Khz, penton?

Or are you still not ready to say?
In due course. Otherwise, how the heck am I going to entice PeterTHX to continue reading this thread regularly….if I were to reveal the title so soon. Discussing soccer in the Premier League just doesn’t cut it for him.

To those readers unaware of this theatrical audio significance, as Dubstar most astutely noted on the last page…
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...for theater application this is big news.
And one of the impediments to studios in exhibiting 96K audio has been that there is no recommend procedure to serve as a guideline to the industry-at-large as to how exactly to implement this high end audio rate. This title, and the way it was technically handled at some theatrical venues, should serve as a precursor road-map to 96K theatrical exhibition.

The bottom line is that if the studios mix in 96k, then we should exhibit in 96k at theatrical venues.
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The bottom line is that if the studios mix in 96k, then we should exhibit in 96k at theatrical venues.
agree.
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What films have bad 4K restorations? And are there any more coming soon?
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I'm totally for HFR. Hopefully OLED TVs will be able to scan native to any frame rate to avoid pulldown artifacts. I also want 17:9 true 4K TVs.
I brought that up over a year ago and I would prefer it as well. It is the native format all digital cinema is scanned in, but I suppose with 16:9 the standard for HDTV and then having to stretch the 1.77:1 picture for other content it didn't seem feasible. Also 4K bluray would have to be compatible with 16:9 and 17:9 and it looks like all new 4K displays are 2160 x 3840.
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I brought that up over a year ago and I would prefer it as well. It is the native format all digital cinema is scanned in, but I suppose with 16:9 the standard for HDTV and then having to stretch the 1.77:1 picture for other content it didn't seem feasible. Also 4K bluray would have to be compatible with 16:9 and 17:9 and it looks like all new 4K displays are 2160 x 3840.
Yes, I remember -
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....an#post5721963

Pro, looking to the future in regards to something more realistic gaining widespread adoption from all consumer electronics companies would be whether or not the HDMI folks go to a v.1.5 (and possibly announce it at the upcoming CES), or, they take more time to develop it and jump directly to HDMI 2.0, in order to be as *future-proof* as possible. I think it would be nice to have an HDMI interface which could handle 4K signal @60 Hz with 10-bit color with TVs.

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Looking back at those post from that link makes you realise how fast time flies.

Anyway. Will there be big 4K announcements at CES worth looking forward to, penton? I hoping for a final 4K standard among other things.
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I would feel much more confident in terms of getting things accomplished end-to-end in a truly expedited fashion if paidgeek were still in the employ of Sony Pictures, for he was a staunch Blu-ray advocate long before it became fashionable to be so....and he was a driving force.
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Looking back at those post from that link makes you realise how fast time flies.

Anyway. Will there be big 4K announcements at CES worth looking forward to, penton? I hoping for a final 4K standard among other things.
4K is supposed to be THE big thing for CES 2013.
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4K is supposed to be THE big thing for CES 2013.
I know displays are going to be there. I'm just wondering if a 4K disc will be announced with increased space and 4K specifications.

And this point though i'm more looking forward to OLED. Things are not looking too good at the moment though. My true fantasy is for pioneer to return to the display business with a 60" to 80" OLED sets. They were the only manufacture who really cared about PQ.

What could of been:

http://kuro10g.blogspot.com/2009/01/code-name-fuga.html



And that was suppose to be in 2009. I can't imagine what they would of achieved by now.
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I'm thankful for folks like Grover Crisp at Sony.
Me too, just watched the Blu-ray of LOA for the first time, absolutely stunning release. I wish I had managed to get to a local 4K screening just recently but the timing was not to be.

Nice one Mr. Crisp!
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me too, just watched the blu-ray of loa for the first time, absolutely stunning release. I wish i had managed to get to a local 4k screening just recently but the timing was not to be.

Nice one mr. Crisp!
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Good way to start off the New Year!, e.g., me winning a bet and someone owing me money.

Context for some background – I retired several months ago when Club Penton achieved the 2 million viewer mark milestone. It was subsequently locked and shortly thereafter a fellow member then bet me, given its locked nature, that “it would take years, if ever, to surpass The Digital Bits et. al. Insider thread by 1 million views”….which, when you do the math, meant that Club Penton needed to accrue about an additional 300,000 views to hit that mark (> 2,349,781 views).

Well, I’ve been informed this ^ newest viewer milestone was reached on or around New Year's Day…which only took several months rather than “years”, see this page for the current comparative totals –
http://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61

So, to the guy who lost the bet, time to pay your debt.
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I know displays are going to be there. I'm just wondering if a 4K disc will be announced with increased space and 4K specifications....
Sap, you’re a smart fellow. What do you think?
I admire executives who don’t use misleading ‘corporate speak’, e.g. - http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ng#post6782166

What I’m getting at is that, according to this article… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-def-2013.html

John Taylor, LG's Vice President of Communications has stated plain and simple that “We're expecting the arrival of 4K Blu-rays in 2013”. So, he’s got almost 12 months to be ‘right’. Now, do you really think that a 4K disc will be announced with increased space and 4K specifications next week?
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And this point though i'm more looking forward to OLED....
Good thing to look forward to but, first will come non-OLED 4K tv’s in a variety of sizes….

and pricing options.
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Good way to start off the New Year!, e.g., me winning a bet and someone owing me money.

Context for some background – I retired several months ago when Club Penton achieved the 2 million viewer mark milestone. It was subsequently locked and shortly thereafter a fellow member then bet me, given its locked nature, that “it would take years, if ever, to surpass The Digital Bits et. al. Insider thread by 1 million views”….which, when you do the math, meant that Club Penton needed to accrue about an additional 300,000 views to hit that mark (> 2,349,781 views).

Well, I’ve been informed this ^ newest viewer milestone was reached on or around New Year's Day…which only took several months rather than “years”, see this page for the current comparative totals –
http://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61

So, to the guy who lost the bet, time to pay your debt.
Daddy needs a new pair of shoes.

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By the way, for the record, there is no “click fraud” on Blu-ray.com, unlike as recently revealed as being problematic with other websites and entities…
http://www.tubefilter.com/2012/12/28...s-confiscated/
Perhaps you can split the winnings with Grover? No doubt his May 23rd post played a substantial role in the increased views?
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