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Old 01-02-2013, 07:55 PM   #621
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Are there any other known specifications about the 4K BD's, such as anamorphic encoding? The one thing about the BD spec that I thought was shortsighted was that all content is 1.78:1 so a 2.40:1 movie would waste scan lines on the letterbox bars instead of the actual frame.
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Perhaps you can split the winnings with Grover? No doubt his May 23rd post played a substantial role in the increased views?

Ouch, doby.

I don't want to get into all that cause we don't know the whole story.

Besides. Penton seems like he knows his shit so he is somebody. He was the one who started that voting thread about sony switching to DTSMA or dolbyTHD. We all voted and sony switched so he's from somewhere.

Lets all move on.
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Sap, you’re a smart fellow. What do you think?
I admire executives who don’t use misleading ‘corporate speak’, e.g. - http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ng#post6782166

What I’m getting at is that, according to this article… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-def-2013.html

John Taylor, LG's Vice President of Communications has stated plain and simple that “We're expecting the arrival of 4K Blu-rays in 2013”. So, he’s got almost 12 months to be ‘right’. Now, do you really think that a 4K disc will be announced with increased space and 4K specifications next week?
I think yes.

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Besides. Penton seems like he knows his shit so he is somebody. He was the one who started that voting thread about sony switching to DTSMA or dolbyTHD. We all voted and sony switched so he's from somewhere.
I wouldn't talk about that either: Sony had already adopted the new encoding tools and the poll was more or less to see if there would be negative feedback. As a serious poll it was hugely flawed to begin with (and was not the reason for switching as outlined above).
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I wouldn't talk about that either: Sony had already adopted the new encoding tools and the poll was more or less to see if there would be negative feedback. As a serious poll it was hugely flawed to begin with (and was not the reason for switching as outlined above).
I thought sony itself was waiting to see the results of the poll? That was the whole point of it.

So they already decided? News to me.

EDIT- Look at the OP- http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mov...D+Master+Audio
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Are there any other known specifications about the 4K BD's, such as anamorphic encoding? The one thing about the BD spec that I thought was shortsighted was that all content is 1.78:1 so a 2.40:1 movie would waste scan lines on the letterbox bars instead of the actual frame.
I would LOVE if 4KBD is anamorphic. I don't get why bluray wasn't anamorphic? There's alot of wasted pixels in the bars of 2.35 films. Other ratios too.
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Sap, you’re a smart fellow. What do you think?
I admire executives who don’t use misleading ‘corporate speak’, e.g. - http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ng#post6782166

What I’m getting at is that, according to this article… http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-def-2013.html

John Taylor, LG's Vice President of Communications has stated plain and simple that “We're expecting the arrival of 4K Blu-rays in 2013”. So, he’s got almost 12 months to be ‘right’. Now, do you really think that a 4K disc will be announced with increased space and 4K specifications next week?
Well, if we can get cable/DirecTv to start broadcasting a substantive amount of stuff in 4K(holding breath), I'm in!
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I think yes.

Can't wait!
You’re an optimist. I like that.
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I thought sony itself was waiting to see the results of the poll? That was the whole point of it.

So they already decided? News to me.

EDIT- Look at the OP- http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mov...D+Master+Audio
As stated in paragraph 2 of that OP...nothing had yet been decided.

For expediency and accuracy (bad spelling and all), Paragraph 2 was directly copied and pasted from an email correspondence to me from an honest and honorable Vice President (in charge of that project).

I don’t believe that this poll was ‘flawed’ either…http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=104430

I do think that The Hobbit 3D 48fps poll/inquiry which I posted may, in a sense, be ‘flawed’ however and honestly, I’ve given up on accumulating data for that, as it is just too time-consuming to read through all the posts on three different threads looking for a brief mention of any visual or vestibular side effects.

Also, it looks like I won’t be able to procure a scientifically credible ‘AVATAR 3D’ - side effect control anyway.

As to The Hobbit, technically, I was hoping to see one of the filmmakers elaborate a bit on my ‘processing’ assertion here…http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ng#post6894679

But apparently, no interviews in that regard have yet been forthcoming, so still waiting on that, especially given all the anecdotal experiences from both ‘cinephiles’ and ‘Joe6packs’ that the initial part of the movie appeared “sped-up”, which I have my doubts is simply a psychological response. Additionally, on another note, the blown highlights were an interesting color correction decision, for I don't believe they are secondary to a deficiency related to the RED cameras themselves.
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Well, if we can get cable/DirecTv to start broadcasting a substantive amount of stuff in 4K(holding breath), I'm in!
First must come the codec, and that means HEVC… http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ch#post6678037

Unless, of course you’re a RED man… http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ch#post6827608
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The Toshiba ZL2 does 4K, but because it's screen is 55" you'd need to sit 5' from the screen to notice a difference and 3' to get the full benefit. Unless you want to put this monitor in your hall, prepare to move your chair WAY up, I mean WTFU.

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How accurate is this old post? I mean, 5 feet away? really? is this only for excessively large screens? Will this be more of a niche market?
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I would LOVE if 4KBD is anamorphic. I don't get why bluray wasn't anamorphic? There's alot of wasted pixels in the bars of 2.35 films. Other ratios too.
This. Have a fixed height and variable width. 21:9 screens become an actual option for people who don't like to blow up the source image.
Although I really just want a tv that expands itself by rolling out its flexible screen .
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This. Have a fixed height and variable width. 21:9 screens become an actual option for people who don't like to blow up the source image.
Although I really just want a tv that expands itself by rolling out its flexible screen .
Would you still be able to see the film on a normal 16:9 tv then?
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How accurate is this old post? I mean, 5 feet away? really? is this only for excessively large screens? Will this be more of a niche market?
The reality is that everyone has a unique threshold for visual sensory discrimination and no overly-simplified chart is going to be accurate.
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How accurate is this old post? I mean, 5 feet away? really? is this only for excessively large screens? Will this be more of a niche market?
Already answered here…
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ve#post6698239

^ especially read the hyperlink after the phrase “certainly not to be set in stone, see…”

Anthony also chimed in somewhere a few pages back as to its inherent deficiency, e.g. “starts to become noticeable” but I just don’t have time right now to find and link his post.

P.S.
I guess I was typing and searching while Chevy had already responded to your query.
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Would you still be able to see the film on a normal 16:9 tv then?
If a standard like that would be created, of course. You can play a blu-ray on a 4:3 pc monitor right? It'd just mean the resolution of the source image would be higher than your tv can display.

This would be amazing:
1.33:1 = 2873x2160
16:9 = 3840×2160
21:9 = 5040x2160

But if it'd be anamorphic, which would be more likely, everything would just be 3840x2160, which would be corrected to it's OAR.

A format where the total amount of 8,294,400 pixels would just be evenly distributed over the image, without black bars, would be nice too, but that'd be highly unlikely. You'd get resolutions like 4403x1886.
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Well, if we can get cable/DirecTv to start broadcasting a substantive amount of stuff in 4K(holding breath), I'm in!
Given the upcoming CES, the more immediate and intriguing thought is how exactly (as promised) will this delivery system…. http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....44#post6809444
be “updated periodically with new, additional content”?

Some sort of physical delivery media like a disc, memory card, etc.?

or, perhaps for instance, in the more long term future -

Vis-a-vie the PlayStation Network to deliver the content to something like the next generation of PlayStation?
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Given the upcoming CES, the more immediate and intriguing thought is how exactly (as promised) will this delivery system…. http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....44#post6809444
be “updated periodically with new, additional content”?

Some sort of physical delivery media like a disc, memory card, etc.?

or, perhaps for instance, in the more long term future -

Vis-a-vie the PlayStation Network to deliver the content to something like the next generation of PlayStation?
I really hope the PS4 has 4KBD support. That would boost the 4K market so easily. But i'm sure sony knows this.

And seeing how i'm buying a PS4, i would have at least a player ready to go for when i eventually buy a display in the future.
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Given the upcoming CES, the more immediate and intriguing thought is how exactly (as promised) will this delivery system…. http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....44#post6809444
be “updated periodically with new, additional content”?

Some sort of physical delivery media like a disc, memory card, etc.?

or, perhaps for instance, in the more long term future -

Vis-a-vie the PlayStation Network to deliver the content to something like the next generation of PlayStation?
In regards to the near term…

Well, if I were a betting man, I would bet that new, additional content comes on Blu-ray data discs which will be loaded into the server….if I were a betting man.
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I guess in the spirit of 4K fair play, I should also make mention of the Odemax distribution platform which people should hear more about at Sundance….
http://odemax.com/information.html

Not just new 4K digitally originated content from independent filmmakers but, I also hope to see some classics forthcoming because of this comment…“That's why with REDray and Odemax, classic films can now be scanned in 4k and delivered to the home in 4K”

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