Epson 5010 vs BenQ W7000 vs Panasonic AE7000

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by Badas

There is just too many things that the JVC's are just getting too far behind.

1. Not true 4K.
2. 3D way behind
3. Lamps. Altho supose to be improved. They just can't get consistant white uniformaity. Check out the Lens and Lamp on the Sony 4K. That is a serious machine.
4. HFR. Has been confirmed for the Sony 4K

All those thing combined has pushed me away from JVC and towards the Sony. It might be $11K more expensive. However it means that I don't have to spend $11-$15 more the next year when they finally come to their senses and produce a 4K with HFR.

Ta Dono

Not sure how much JVC is behind, as much as Sony is really trying to push out ahead of the pack right now with the VPL-VW1000. JVC E-shift seems to be a solid stop gap tech with current 1080p content. I agree in that I wish JVC was stronger with 3D, but then I don't really care about 3D so it isn't a deal breaker for me (I'll take that black level performance). I'll give Sony this, they are really trying hard to make sure that this 4k machine is future proof. Hats off to them for that, but at $20k, I would expect that as well. How would someone feed the thing HFR? RedRay? I guess that is a question for a different thread.

[Badas]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Not sure how much JVC is behind, as much as Sony is really trying to push out ahead of the pack right now with the VPL-VW1000. JVC E-shift seems to be a solid stop gap tech with current 1080p content. I agree in that I wish JVC was stronger with 3D, but then I don't really care about 3D so it isn't a deal breaker for me (I'll take that black level performance). I'll give Sony this, they are really trying hard to make sure that this 4k machine is future proof. Hats off to them for that, but at $20k, I would expect that as well. How would someone feed the thing HFR? RedRay? I guess that is a question for a different thread.

I love the JVC. It is basically what I have now. Cineversum Blackwing (Uses JVC parts with changed Lens). I just think when you own and live with a JVC that they don't do the basics right. I would like to see better Lamps like what is used in the Sony 30/50/95 and double the size of the Lens to catch all that pixel detail. They need a re-vamp instead of minor changes.

Ta Dono

[Travis]

What are the worst parts of the Epson 5010?
Panasonic AE7000?
BenQ W7000?

[rpatt]

Originally Posted by Travis

What are the worst parts of the Epson 5010?
Panasonic AE7000?
BenQ W7000?

I have the AE7000. The joy stick for the picture shift is tricky (frustrating). Some people have had lamp flickering problems (I have not). Some people have reported ghosting in 3D, this also has not happened with mine. Someone on the AVS forum has linked the ghosting to room temperature. He noticed the ghosting stopped when the room temperature was warm. How warm I don't know.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by rpatt

I have the AE7000. The joy stick for the picture shift is tricky (frustrating). Some people have had lamp flickering problems (I have not). Some people have reported ghosting in 3D, this also has not happened with mine. Someone on the AVS forum has linked the ghosting to room temperature. He noticed the ghosting stopped when the room temperature was warm. How warm I don't know.

Thanks. Interesting about the temp.

[i007spectre]

I have no issues with noise or anything with auto iris on. But its only on the lowest setting.

[Flatnate]

Well here are my thoughts, mind you haven't seen all three of these.

First, I'm super susceptible to the rainbow effect on DLP machines. I spent a good bit of time playing with the Mitsubishi HC7800D, and that is a modern DLP machine with an advanced, fast color wheel and I can still make out the rainbow effect at certain times. This may not be a big deal to you, but I've kind wrote off single chip DLP for myself personally because I'm not sure one exists where I wouldn't catch the rainbow. So that rules out the BenQ for me personally.

Then it kinda comes down to if you would use the lens memory function on the Panasonic to go to a 2.35:1 Cinemascope dimension screen. I personally would love this! Any small shortcomings from the Panasonic to the Epson in terms of 3D performance can be overlooked by me for that one feature. However, based on reviews if a scope screen isn't your cup of tea I think a slight performance nod may be had by the Epson.

So for me it would be the Panny with a scope screen, otherwise the Epson.

[domingos35]

the problem with the panny is the warranty
3 years or 3000 hours( promotion) otherwise 2 years or 2000 hours
if u watch a lot of movies the warranty will run out fairly quick

[Travis]

Originally Posted by i007spectre

I have no issues with noise or anything with auto iris on. But its only on the lowest setting.

Thanks. I hate the humming noise my TV gives. I can really hear it at night when I have to watch at low volumes.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Well here are my thoughts, mind you haven't seen all three of these.

First, I'm super susceptible to the rainbow effect on DLP machines. I spent a good bit of time playing with the Mitsubishi HC7800D, and that is a modern DLP machine with an advanced, fast color wheel and I can still make out the rainbow effect at certain times. This may not be a big deal to you, but I've kind wrote off single chip DLP for myself personally because I'm not sure one exists where I wouldn't catch the rainbow. So that rules out the BenQ for me personally.

Then it kinda comes down to if you would use the lens memory function on the Panasonic to go to a 2.35:1 Cinemascope dimension screen. I personally would love this! Any small shortcomings from the Panasonic to the Epson in terms of 3D performance can be overlooked by me for that one feature. However, based on reviews if a scope screen isn't your cup of tea I think a slight performance nod may be had by the Epson.

So for me it would be the Panny with a scope screen, otherwise the Epson.

Very good points....think I'm leaning toward the Epson.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by domingos35

the problem with the panny is the warranty
3 years or 3000 hours( promotion) otherwise 2 years or 2000 hours
if u watch a lot of movies the warranty will run out fairly quick

They don't seem to give the support that Epson does. But, warranty doesn't concern me. I'll be buying it in the US and bringing it back to Taiwan. Any fixes, I'll have to pay for.

[Travis]

Pretty set on Epson 5010.....but now also thinking about the 5020. Is it worth the extra $600?

[Almadacr]

I would take those $600 and would get a bigger screen and electric since the one that you have now is manual right and for that money i would look at a tab tension one .

[i007spectre]

As an owner of the 5010 I have no urge to trade up for a 5020.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by i007spectre

As an owner of the 5010 I have no urge to trade up for a 5020.

Good to know. FreyTheater3D said the same thing.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by Almadacr

I would take those $600 and would get a bigger screen and electric since the one that you have now is manual right and for that money i would look at a tab tension one .

And my screen is 4:3!

A new screen would be nice!

[i007spectre]

Yeah Frey is partly to thank for me getting the 5010.

[Flatnate]

I agree on upgrading the screen versus the getting the 5020. That 16:9 image size on your 4:3 screen will be small. I have been living with a pull down screen for two years and never had a problem with it till recently. Had some friends over, so I sat closer than I usually do and began to notice ripples. Now I notice the uneven surface all the time. Only now is it driving me bonkers. Time for me to leave that screen with my dad, move out, and go fixed frame or tab tensioned.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

I agree on upgrading the screen versus the getting the 5020. That 16:9 image size on your 4:3 screen will be small. I have been living with a pull down screen for two years and never had a problem with it till recently. Had some friends over, so I sat closer than I usually do and began to notice ripples. Now I notice the uneven surface all the time. Only now is it driving me bonkers. Time for me to leave that screen with my dad, move out, and go fixed frame or tab tensioned.

Not familiar with tab tension.

[rpatt]

Originally Posted by Travis

Not familiar with tab tension.

I have the Elite TE106HW2 tab tensioned screen. The screen has a cord on each side of the screen to put "tension" on the screen to prevent ripples.