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1 out for lossless audio and one out for video, for those who have 3D displays but do not have 3D audio components. If it's going to be 4K, the same issue will likely arise.
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Uh, thats a pretty major math fail. If you have 100% less of anything, then you have nothing. That statement means the 720 has no ROPs.
For the FLOPs, it's 50% less than Orbis FLOPs, right? How does one arrive at 50%. Durango is 1.2TFLOPs and Orbis is 1.8TFLOPs. Take half of Durango's FLOPs (600 GFLOPs which is 50% of Durango's 1.2TFLOPs).

Let's apply that to the second half of that line. I said 100% less than Orbis (not itself). Durango has 16 ROPs and Orbis has 32 ROPs. You can't take 50% of that and equal Orbis ROPs, can you? That would mean that Orbis only has 24 ROPs. It has to be 100% (Durango's full amount of ROPs - 16 ROPs) to reach the appropriate amount of ROPs for Orbis.
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For the FLOPs, it's 50% less than Orbis FLOPs, right? How does one arrive at 50%. Durango is 1.2TFLOPs and Orbis is 1.8TFLOPs. Take half of Durango's FLOPs (600 GFLOPs which is 50% of Durango's 1.2TFLOPs).

Let's apply that to the second half of that line. I said 100% less than Orbis (not itself). Durango has 16 ROPs and Orbis has 32 ROPs. You can't take 50% of that and equal Orbis ROPs, can you? That would mean that Orbis only has 24 ROPs. It has to be 100% (Durango's full amount of ROPs - 16 ROPs) to reach the appropriate amount of ROPs for Orbis.
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God I hope not. That would be a ridiculous waste of computational power.

Having two for the purpose of 1 being used to output 3D is ok, but multiple displays is a joke.
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For the FLOPs, it's 50% less than Orbis FLOPs, right? How does one arrive at 50%. Durango is 1.2TFLOPs and Orbis is 1.8TFLOPs. Take half of Durango's FLOPs (600 GFLOPs which is 50% of Durango's 1.2TFLOPs).

Let's apply that to the second half of that line. I said 100% less than Orbis (not itself). Durango has 16 ROPs and Orbis has 32 ROPs. You can't take 50% of that and equal Orbis ROPs, can you? That would mean that Orbis only has 24 ROPs. It has to be 100% (Durango's full amount of ROPs - 16 ROPs) to reach the appropriate amount of ROPs for Orbis.
Still sounds kind of fudgy without context, though. It'd be easier to just specify that you're talking about 50% and 100% of Durango's specs.
 
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For the FLOPs, it's 50% less than Orbis FLOPs, right? How does one arrive at 50%. Durango is 1.2TFLOPs and Orbis is 1.8TFLOPs. Take half of Durango's FLOPs (600 GFLOPs which is 50% of Durango's 1.2TFLOPs).

Let's apply that to the second half of that line. I said 100% less than Orbis (not itself). Durango has 16 ROPs and Orbis has 32 ROPs. You can't take 50% of that and equal Orbis ROPs, can you? That would mean that Orbis only has 24 ROPs. It has to be 100% (Durango's full amount of ROPs - 16 ROPs) to reach the appropriate amount of ROPs for Orbis.
If the Orbis has 1.8TFlops and the Durango 1.2TFlops the the Orbis has 50% more than Durango whereas Durango has 33% less than the Orbis.

Or Durango = 2/3 x Orbis

If the Orbis has 32 Rops and the Durango 16 Rops, then the Orbis has 100% more than the Durango whereas Durango has 50% less.

Or Durango = 1/2 x Orbis

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For the FLOPs, it's 50% less than Orbis FLOPs, right? How does one arrive at 50%. Durango is 1.2TFLOPs and Orbis is 1.8TFLOPs. Take half of Durango's FLOPs (600 GFLOPs which is 50% of Durango's 1.2TFLOPs).

Let's apply that to the second half of that line. I said 100% less than Orbis (not itself). Durango has 16 ROPs and Orbis has 32 ROPs. You can't take 50% of that and equal Orbis ROPs, can you? That would mean that Orbis only has 24 ROPs. It has to be 100% (Durango's full amount of ROPs - 16 ROPs) to reach the appropriate amount of ROPs for Orbis.
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If the Orbis has 1.8TFlops and the Durango 1.2TFlops the the Orbis has 50% more than Durango whereas Durango has 33% less than the Orbis.

Or Durango = 2/3 x Orbis

If the Orbis has 32 Rops and the Durango 16 Rops, then the Orbis has 100% more than the Durango whereas Durango has 50% less.

Or Durango = 1/2 x Orbis

This. Percentages do not stay the same when comparing 2 numbers. 100% of 32 does not equal 100% of 16.
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If the Orbis has 1.8TFlops and the Durango 1.2TFlops the the Orbis has 50% more than Durango whereas Durango has 33% less than the Orbis.

Or Durango = 2/3 x Orbis

If the Orbis has 32 Rops and the Durango 16 Rops, then the Orbis has 100% more than the Durango whereas Durango has 50% less.

Or Durango = 1/2 x Orbis

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Just saw this on GAF, PS4 referenced in BDA documents last year. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...postcount=4938

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So how many Flops does the PS3 have?


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For the FLOPs, it's 50% less than Orbis FLOPs, right? How does one arrive at 50%. Durango is 1.2TFLOPs and Orbis is 1.8TFLOPs. Take half of Durango's FLOPs (600 GFLOPs which is 50% of Durango's 1.2TFLOPs).

Let's apply that to the second half of that line. I said 100% less than Orbis (not itself). Durango has 16 ROPs and Orbis has 32 ROPs. You can't take 50% of that and equal Orbis ROPs, can you? That would mean that Orbis only has 24 ROPs. It has to be 100% (Durango's full amount of ROPs - 16 ROPs) to reach the appropriate amount of ROPs for Orbis.
You just worded it very poorly, that's all.

You don't say 100% less of something. It should have said that Durango would have (rumors up until now) 50% of the ROPs of Orbis, when making a comparison.

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So how many Flops does the PS3 have?
According to leaks/ rumors, and speaking of Graphical power, Orbis would have 1.8 TFLOPs vs Durango 1.2.
For reference a TFLOPS is a Tera FLOPS (Tera = 1000 billion, or 1 trillion), FLOPS standing for FLoating point OPeration per Second.
For reference, one of the most powerful systems on the planet named "Cray XK7" has a cumulated power of around 20 PetaFlops (20.000 TFLOPS). The tenth most powerful System on the planet is around -2- PFLOPS (2000 TFLOPS).
Now, scaled back down for a home console, 1.8 (or 1.2) TFLOPS on graphical power is nothing to sneeze at
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:23 PM   #3312
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You just worded it very poorly, that's all.

You don't say 100% less of something. It should have said that Durango would have (rumors up until now) 50% of the ROPs of Orbis, when making a comparison.
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I don't know what this is supposed to mean. PS3 sales at this point in time are not much related to the BD video market. PS4 sales are likely to have almost no relation, as there are many fine BD video players for a lower cost or better ones. And now, isn't the 720 supposed to have a BD drive? Should we see those projections?
 
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"Dont believe the media. PS4 doesnt have 100% more ROPs than Durango, Durango just has 50% less ROPs than the PS4! It makes perfect sense if you dont think about it" - Microsoft

If the specs leaked are real, I can't wait for the spin by MS on the "Durango has 100% MORE memory than Orbis!!!!" (aka x2)
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OK, pricing wise, I'm thinking here in the UK around the 450-500 range.
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If the specs leaked are real, I can't wait for the spin by MS on the "Durango has 100% MORE memory than Orbis!!!!" (aka x2)
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And you get to pay twice just to use Netflix. Buy it!
There's no guarantee that Sony won't have a base fee for accessing the PSN this time around. And, even if they don't, they'll just keep adding features behind the pay wall.
 
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There's no guarantee that Sony won't have a base fee for accessing the PSN this time around. And, even if they don't, they'll just keep adding features behind the pay wall.
No, there isn't, but i bet they carry the free PSN over and improve the base version. I don't give a monkeys if they add more features and ask to be paid for them as long as the current free features remain and those that should be free are made free.

I think Sony are the most gamer centric company imo, they just get a bad rap for nothing. I blame Xbot zealots for spreading the malicious crap tbh. Fanboys with no evidence of a 'greater' system offering that they should actually pay for.

Sony meanwhile have made sure everything you practically pay for is value for money in terms of PS+ (Game downloads withstanding, they're to fleece everybody ).

If rumours are true, Gaikai would be a great addition to add value for gamers.
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OK, pricing wise, I'm thinking here in the UK around the 450-500 range.
400 tops, I can't see this costing more than a PS3 did when this looks cheaper to produce than the PS3 was.

If it is over 400, well I'll seriously reconsider buying it at launch.
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400 tops, I can't see this costing more than a PS3 did when this looks cheaper to produce than the PS3 was.

If it is over 400, well I'll seriously reconsider buying it at launch.
More than 400 for the top mode = not buying.

Simple as really. Why pay more for a console that should be cheaper to produce and has none of the cutting edge hardware the PS3 had in it that made it so expensive.

In fact, i think 350 would be the sweet spot imo at the very most. I'd prefer 300 but that's dreaming, so maybe 400-450 package with 3-5 extra games and a dualshock pad.

I think 450 with 3 games and an extra dualshock might be the sweet spot for a next gen console package.
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