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Old 12-10-2012, 05:07 AM   #81
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Sony could easily make an expansion box for it to be used with most modern graphics cards with DVI and DisplayPort. These high end companies should be supporting Displayport or even DVI rather than HDMI if they are really going slow on support for 4K and 3D. It's more than possible to have both 4K and 3D at 60Hz content from modern computers (although it needs to be really powerful, but still, if you pay that kind of cash on the projector, why should making a powerful computer be a problem?).
Maybe you know more about HDMI than me Trog. What are the upper limits in terms of frame rate for 3D? I know it supports 4k but can it do 48fps or 60fps in 3D at 4K? What about a future version of HDMI?

Personally I could see Sony and some of the big players being less than enthused about making any kind of expansion box in support of DVI or Displayport. Mainly because I think they are less than enthused about helping us with consumer products with this kind of computer compatibility. Someone over there seems to have this idea that unless your shooting footage with a 4K CineAlta camera and working on the production side of the business then owning a computer probably means your up to no good. Oy. Call me a pessimist but I could see them putting it directly on to the projector, jacking up the price 40% and marketing it as a "professional" or "industrial" product. The "analog sunset" has kind of turned me in to a big time cynic when it comes to connectivity issues.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:50 AM   #82
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Maybe you know more about HDMI than me Trog. What are the upper limits in terms of frame rate for 3D? I know it supports 4k but can it do 48fps or 60fps in 3D at 4K? What about a future version of HDMI?

Personally I could see Sony and some of the big players being less than enthused about making any kind of expansion box in support of DVI or Displayport. Mainly because I think they are less than enthused about helping us with consumer products with this kind of computer compatibility. Someone over there seems to have this idea that unless your shooting footage with a 4K CineAlta camera and working on the production side of the business then owning a computer probably means your up to no good. Oy. Call me a pessimist but I could see them putting it directly on to the projector, jacking up the price 40% and marketing it as a "professional" or "industrial" product. The "analog sunset" has kind of turned me in to a big time cynic when it comes to connectivity issues.
Technically, HDMI should be able to produce much more than 4K/3D 22.2 audio. The problem is that you are more limited to the video outputs based on a standard. If it isn't added in the HDMI spec, it really may as well not exist. DVI and DisplayPort do have the limitations of HDMI, but there are fewer restrictions. What I meant about an expansion box is that many graphics cards can be connected to multiple devices something like this graphics card below can out 4K at 60FPS when using each port (2 DVI, 1 HDMI, and 1 DisplayPort).

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desk...specifications

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Display Support:
4 displaysMulti Monitor
4096x2160Maximum Digital Resolution
4
2048x1536Maximum VGA Resolution
YesHDCP
YesHDMI5
One Dual Link DVI-I, One Dual Link DVI-D, One HDMI, One DisplayPortStandard Display Connectors
InternalAudio Input for HDMI
The Radeon 7970 features 2 DisplayPort outputs, which can be used to output 4K video at 60 FPS each.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/deskt...on-7970.aspx#3

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DisplayPort 1.2
Max resolution: 4096x2160 per display
Multi-Stream Transport
21.6 Gbps bandwidth
High bit-rate audio
2560x1600p60 Stereoscopic 3D
Quad HD/4k video support
HDMI® (With 4K, 3D, Deep Color and x.v.Color™)
Max resolution: 4096x2160
1080p60 Stereoscopic 3D
Quad HD/4k video support
Dual-link DVI with HDCP
Max resolution: 2560x1600
VGA
Max resolution: 2048x1536
Reading the spec sheet, considering using two could be capable of producing 4K at 3D. If you think about it, there really is no reason for Sony to not at least make a box that can work with Displayport or HDMI. The projector is too niche not to do this, granted if they actually will, they'll put a stupid premium on the projector, like you said. If a cable can claim it can output over 10.2 GBit/s, you think it can do a little more than stream a 50Mbit/s, 1080p movie.

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Trogdor Just checked out your Gallery. You have some mad engineering skills. Well done. 10/10.

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Thanks Man! I think I rated your Theater a 10 already a while ago, but you still have a really nice theater that's a lot cleaner than my old one.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:33 PM   #83
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You guys have been busy. HDMI capabilities is something that keeps popping up when talking about 4K. They really need to sort that out.

I really, really want to hit the button on the JVC X 95. However I think as soon as I get it I will want next years 4K model. Also by this time the first Hobbit will hit blu. Maybe the HFR thingy will get sorted. Heres hoping.

So I think I will sit on it until the 2014 models are released. It is not like I'm missing anything. I watch everything at a 1:1 screen width ratio with a native contrast of 100,000:1 and have not spotted a pixel in a year.

We will see. Maybe Red will come back???

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Old 12-11-2012, 01:25 AM   #84
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We will see. Maybe Red will come back???

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That's it right there! Yeah, if Red (of the Red Camera/RedRay folks) are able to deliver on their 4K laser projector at the price they are talking about (like staying shy of $10K).. then WOW.

If I shelled out for the X95 just six months before that announcement I would probably be kicking myself. If I shelled out over 20 grand on the Sony only a few months before that announcement I'd probably be in the hospital.
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I wonder if Trogdor could make us a E-shift 2 Lens to fit in front of our JVC's in the meantime.

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Old 12-11-2012, 07:50 AM   #86
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I wonder if Trogdor could make us a E-shift 2 Lens to fit in front of our JVC's in the meantime.

Ta Dono
Depends on how much do you want for me to make one or if JVC will give me a job at their engineering department?

Although they probably won't do that since I'm taking a liberal arts major.
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Good news! Sony recently announced a new 4K projector with support of Dual Displayport at 60 FPS at 10 Bit color!

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-pro...duct-VPLGT100/

The bad news though is that it costs $50,000, twice the price of the VW1000ES, and isn't radically different from it otherwise.

I'm still waiting, but looks like Displayport does have a future in the projector market.
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Old 02-23-2013, 05:46 PM   #88
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I'm still waiting, but looks like Displayport does have a future in the projector market.
Very Cool. Not sure if you read the magazine "Widescreen Review" Trog but display guru Joe Kane does a piece in it monthly. I know this last issue he spent some time discussing the development of the new 2160p/4k standard and some of the tech issues surrounding it. HDMI, Displayport and 4K was I think was specifically mentioned by him. I will try to find a way to link to it or at least dig up the quotes. You are right, I think Displayport definitely has a future in the near term at least.
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Talking sony 4k passive stack.

A few are using the sony 4k,in a passive stack.(2 x sony 4k projectors)
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1389225/4k...short-test/240

They get a good rating on a small screen (3m) from someone with a 7m screen and also uses 2 x barco dci DP4k-b32 for 3d 4k passive home theater.
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Very Cool. Not sure if you read the magazine "Widescreen Review" Trog but display guru Joe Kane does a piece in it monthly. I know this last issue he spent some time discussing the development of the new 2160p/4k standard and some of the tech issues surrounding it. HDMI, Displayport and 4K was I think was specifically mentioned by him. I will try to find a way to link to it or at least dig up the quotes. You are right, I think Displayport definitely has a future in the near term at least.
I tried looking up from their website, but I can only get a sample of the magazine. I think it's really redundant that we can't just get the article from the website, but from the magazine. The internet is an absolute integral part of the home theater experience.

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A few are using the sony 4k,in a passive stack.(2 x sony 4k projectors)
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1389225/4k...short-test/240

They get a good rating on a small screen (3m) from someone with a 7m screen and also uses 2 x barco dci DP4k-b32 for 3d 4k passive home theater.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1346057/wo...-passive-stack
Nice. I would love to get one of the 4K Barcos with a 100 foot wide scope if I won the lottery (though also, I could have a 8K laser dream projector like this here.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Evan...-ESLP_8K-5.htm
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