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Old 02-28-2013, 04:08 AM   #1981
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yes it is, so you found an article that is sensationalistic, big deal did you see the line console sales always dive when consoles have been on the market for half a decade check this board for the last couple of years some people were expecting these consoles last year or two years ago, this has been the longest generation and you don't expect some decrease when it has happened in each and every generation?
lol I could care less about someones views on gaming, but the #s don't lie

As for duration

PS2 to PS3 was 2207 days.
PS3 to PS4 (using Nov. 15th as a release day) would be 2561 days.


354 days longer! That is just amazing, and I'm surprised we made it!
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:13 AM   #1982
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If GTA Andreas comes out on the PS4 cloud service, I just bought a digital version of it on the PSN, why would I have to buy it again?
first of all the PSN had a digital PS3 version, that is different thanGaikai streaming, so they are not the same format, the same way if someone buys the SD version of a film (on any digital movie service) and then decides they want the HD version.

second we don't know how Gaikai/PSN will work since Sony did not say anything about it, for all we know it could be like onlive playpack where it is a rental of some titles for 10$ a month and you canplay what you want when you want. Or there might be a way for them to know what you bought (disk or DL) and then they might give it to you for free.

As for your assumption that a game available on PS3 automatically means that it is just Gaikai, that is not a given, actually hasn't there been some games that have been announced that are being made for PS4 and PS3?

Lastly since in order for Gaikai to “work” you need a high speed connection and a local datacenter there will be many people for whom does not work.
 
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lol I could care less about someones views on gaming, but the #s don't lie

As for duration

PS2 to PS3 was 2207 days.
PS3 to PS4 (using Nov. 15th as a release day) would be 2561 days.


354 days longer! That is just amazing, and I'm surprised we made it!
Yep... In North America the span between console releases was roughly.

PS1 to PS2 - 5 years
PS2 to PS3 - 6 years
PS3 to PS4 - 7 years

Console lifespans have grown longer. I checked Nintendo's past three console leases and the gaps are almost identical, only slightly shorter.
 
Old 02-28-2013, 04:34 AM   #1984
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Long console lifespan is expected now due to updates

7 years is too long though. The old tech in consoles begins to hold back the entire games industry.

6 years should be the max imo. Every console gen I tend to drift towards PC gaming around years 4 and 5 because at that time PC gameplay and graphics have far surpassed consles
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:51 AM   #1985
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Long console lifespan is expected now due to updates

7 years is too long though. The old tech in consoles begins to hold back the entire games industry.

6 years should be the max imo. Every console gen I tend to drift towards PC gaming around years 4 and 5 because at that time PC gameplay and graphics have far surpassed consles
I actually give them credit, and given the ps3 titles still to come I think they could have made it another year. I'd rather see marketable gains (Like I think we're getting with the ps4) then them throw hardware upgrades at us every few years (but I guess its better than every 10-14 months like the PC industry does). I burned through so much money getting the highest end card from the 6 series up until the 8 series with nvidia before I just said screw it.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:06 AM   #1986
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lol I could care less about someones views on gaming, but the #s don't lie
numbers don't lie, but people do and then it is blamed on statistics. If numbers really don't lie than go back to when the transition from PS2 to PS3 happened and look at the numbers at that point in time. Just because you don't want to admit the obvious that at the end of the life of the consoles generation the money dries up a bit as people start talking and looking forward to the next generation it does not mean that people need to jump to crazy conclusions.
 
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first of all the PSN had a digital PS3 version, that is different thanGaikai streaming, so they are not the same format, the same way if someone buys the SD version of a film (on any digital movie service) and then decides they want the HD version.

second we don't know how Gaikai/PSN will work since Sony did not say anything about it, for all we know it could be like onlive playpack where it is a rental of some titles for 10$ a month and you canplay what you want when you want. Or there might be a way for them to know what you bought (disk or DL) and then they might give it to you for free.

As for your assumption that a game available on PS3 automatically means that it is just Gaikai, that is not a given, actually hasn't there been some games that have been announced that are being made for PS4 and PS3?

Lastly since in order for Gaikai to “work” you need a high speed connection and a local datacenter there will be many people for whom does not work.
Same digital title, no upgrades. Just different console. You can say all you want. Its no different than me watching an Amazon digital purchase on my iPhone vs my PS3. The title itself is no different but the vendor software is different on each platform. But they don't charge by platform, its all the same digital network.

And no crap, you'll need a HSI. HSI access and quality grows as time goes on.


I'll be able to watch my current Amazon and Vudu digital purchases on the PS4...for no additional charge. But the same exact title I bought on the PSN I can't without purchasing again on the PS4. Something very wrong with this picture.

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Old 02-28-2013, 11:24 AM   #1989
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sorry if I was not clear, I did not mean to imply they can't be on the same network, what I meant is if a game is remade as a PS4 game (the same way that some PS2 games have been sold as PS3 games either oon PSN or BDs) there would need to be a clearly defined PS4 and PS3 game on PSN. Since the PS4 version won't play on the PS3 and the PS3 version won't play on the PS4.
Ah, yes. But, the way I see it is that the stores themselves for each console will help to define such content via accessibility. So, as a result, the PS3 will access a completely different store than the PS4. So, even with the same PSN account, each store will have its own download list and its own access to console specific content that is connected to your account... but only shows up within the appropriate console software. That way, there can be no confusion. You won't be able to download anything onto your PS3 that belongs on the PS4 and vice versa.

I see this as being the best solution for Sony. All of the network related features will still be active across your account on both systems. But, since you can't access the other consoles storefront, you won't have any confusion.
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Currently both Vita and PS3 content appear on the same list, I don't see why they'd change it for the PS4. You can download content for the Vita to the PS3 but not vice versa.
 
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Currently both Vita and PS3 content appear on the same list, I don't see why they'd change it for the PS4. You can download content for the Vita to the PS3 but not vice versa.
But, in that case you have an inherent connectivity and functionality relationship between the 2 systems (PS3 & VITA). The PS3 can act as a gateway or portal for VITA content. Likewise, that could be true of the PS4 & VITA. But, we are talking about PS3 and PS4 content. There will be no functional connectivity between those two devices. So, how do you keep those pieces of software tied to your PSN account without having them show up on the wrong systems?

I still maintain that PS4 will have a different storefront software that will access a separate database than the database for the PS3 storefront. It's only logical to do it that way. The most ease with the least confusion factor.

Perhaps they will make all VITA software content its own separate database to access as well which can be accessed by both PS3 and PS4 stores so you'll be able to get all VITA content from either system. That's how I would think of trying to do it were I engineering that aspect of the new system.
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I'll be able to watch my current Amazon and Vudu digital purchases on the PS4...for no additional charge. But the same exact title I bought on the PSN I can't without purchasing again on the PS4. Something very wrong with this picture.
A game is a game, it doesnt matter what its being sourced from, a disk, the internet, or an HDD. PS3 games are designed to work with very specific hardware. Its no different than buying the disk or digital version of a PC game. The software is the exact same, its just being read from a different source.

I know people want their BC, but you guys need to sit back and look at the techincal side of it. Its just like the pre x86 Macs and PCs. They had totally different hardware so software had to be written specific for each console. The only way ps3 games will work on the ps4 is if devs recode and port each game over to the new hardware.
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numbers don't lie, but people do and then it is blamed on statistics. If numbers really don't lie than go back to when the transition from PS2 to PS3 happened and look at the numbers at that point in time. Just because you don't want to admit the obvious that at the end of the life of the consoles generation the money dries up a bit as people start talking and looking forward to the next generation it does not mean that people need to jump to crazy conclusions.
Lol I said when I originally posted that link a few pages ago some of it can be attributed to eol... You should go back and read next time. FYI ps2 sales and video game sales overall were much higher between 03-06 than this gen between 08-12.
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Stupid Question: Is the Vita "compatible" with both the PS3 and PS4? If so, how is this accomplished?
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Stupid Question: Is the Vita "compatible" with both the PS3 and PS4? If so, how is this accomplished?
The Vita hooks up to both the PS3 and the PS4. As to "how" it will use a USB cable.

I am not sure if that is what you meant, but its my best answer.


I have dogged the Vita hardcore in the past, but based on what I saw at the PS4 press conference it may yet have some life in it.
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They haven't shown the main screen yet. I have a feeling it'll be similar to a Windows metro interface (sort of like the 2nd screen above). I just hope they don't use the Vita interface. I loved the XMB personally so I wouldn't mind if they stuck with that.
 
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A game is a game, it doesnt matter what its being sourced from, a disk, the internet, or an HDD. PS3 games are designed to work with very specific hardware. Its no different than buying the disk or digital version of a PC game. The software is the exact same, its just being read from a different source.

I know people want their BC, but you guys need to sit back and look at the techincal side of it. Its just like the pre x86 Macs and PCs. They had totally different hardware so software had to be written specific for each console. The only way ps3 games will work on the ps4 is if devs recode and port each game over to the new hardware.
The game could be played over the network. Sony said it could. They have to decide if they are going to do it. If they don't, I won't get one for a long time.

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The Vita hooks up to both the PS3 and the PS4. As to "how" it will use a USB cable.

I am not sure if that is what you meant, but its my best answer.


I have dogged the Vita hardcore in the past, but based on what I saw at the PS4 press conference it may yet have some life in it.
But it plays some PS3 games and will play some PS4 games right? How is that possible?
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But it plays some PS3 games and will play some PS4 games right? How is that possible?
Remote play is just a streaming service from the console to the Vita. The Vita/PSP doesn't actually have to do anything but transmit your input and display the video on screen.
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