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Old 05-05-2013, 06:08 PM   #1241
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“Just repeating HD match coverage in a higher resolution may not be what gets the consumer excited,” Grinyer said. “What might though, is using 4K in a different style--using the extra light [dynamic range], or higher frame rates, or new depth of field for certain shots.”

^ 5/2/2013 from THR - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...heading-451120

I say 'Yup' , as previously noted last March on Blu-ray.com…
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The technological merits of current 4K displays completely aside, for the time being, I see the adoption of 4K tv in the home being largely dependent upon how robustly it is marketed (like 1080p was to 720p displays) and phased in by the consumer electronics industry and the 4K media providers.

Now, what will provide a big impetus or push for mainstream usage, or ubiquity, will be when Joe6Pack can clearly notice dramatic advantage of 4K displays (of any size) from well beyond a 2PH viewing distance. That should come when increased color bit depth, HDR and HFR are added to the 4K recipe. We’ve already discussed the former (color) on previous pages here....
as to the later, namely HFR, see the link to the BBC paper also previously listed in this old post –
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If you haven’t had the opportunity to view high rez/high frame rate footage, or are unable to take advantage of these public sets which at least show the superiority of 4K at a measly 50p ( http://tech.ebu.ch/testsequences , note that HFR sequences > 50fps are coming soon ), then I suggest you read the following paper from the BBC, or at least scroll to the end and read the Conclusion for some understanding of the great advantage of increased temporal resolution -

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/w...les/WHP209.pdf
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:12 PM   #1242
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Discerning retrospective and prospective screenshot analysis of ‘Mastered in 4K’ Blu-rays has now moved from this thread – http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ss#post7505104

To this dedicated Ghostbusters thread - http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....in#post7505087
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:37 PM   #1243
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Completely off-topic, but a topic close to my heart (Pentons, Huskys and pseudonyms), since The Great Escape is in Blu-ray news, here’s a shout-out in heaven to Harvey Mushman for “When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting” (words I lived by, at least until I attended post-grad school)

To 'Harvey' -
(http://theselvedgeyard.wordpress.com...in-vintage-si/ )

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Old 05-07-2013, 05:28 PM   #1244
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4K coming in all sizes and flavors imaginable -
http://www.stuff.tv/news/computers-a...aptops-in-2013
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4K coming in all sizes and flavors imaginable -
http://www.stuff.tv/news/computers-a...aptops-in-2013
Hopefully that will keep larger screen laptops in the publics gaze. 7 inch tablets don't cut it for work or even browsing. The ipad mini is slightly better.
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It’s difficult for me to accept that people actually get paid for writing articles like this… http://tech.lifegoesstrong.com/artic...y-4k-uhd-84-tv

What I mean is that this assertion from the article is just plain wrong -

“But none of the current UHDs include HEVC decoding, and likely won't until next year. This means no current UHD set will be able to play back future 4K (HEVC encoded) content.”
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It’s difficult for me to accept that people actually get paid for writing articles like this… http://tech.lifegoesstrong.com/artic...y-4k-uhd-84-tv

What I mean is that this assertion from the article is just plain wrong -

“But none of the current UHDs include HEVC decoding, and likely won't until next year. This means no current UHD set will be able to play back future 4K (HEVC encoded) content.”
Well, don't current HDTVs have MPEG2 decoders?

I'm sure he's referring to a future broadcast or cable standard that would use HEVC as the encoding method.
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Well, don't current HDTVs have MPEG2 decoders?

I'm sure he's referring to a future broadcast or cable standard that would use HEVC as the encoding method.
The writer of that article has no idea what he's talking about.

Your typical HDTV has an MPEG-2 decoder if it can get over the air signals, but otherwise it decodes nothing- your Blu-ray player or whatever device you are using does that. Your HDTV just displays whatever signal it gets from the HDMI ports as the video/audio is already decoded before that point. Also, the current HDMI spec (1.4?) can already transmit 4k video at 30Hz.
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The man loved not just motorcycle engines in and out of his movies.

I know most of you are thinking right now…’Yeah, he loved motorcar engines too as he raced in things like the 12 Hours of Sebring where Mario Andretti only beat him and Revson by about 20 sec. after 12 hours of racing, with Steve driving in a foot/ankle cast… http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...ne/MAG1083468/

Wrong.

One of the characters he portrayed also loved steam engines on boats…..
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:03 PM   #1250
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The writer of that article has no idea what he's talking about.

Your typical HDTV has an MPEG-2 decoder if it can get over the air signals, but otherwise it decodes nothing- your Blu-ray player or whatever device you are using does that...
Correcto-mundo.

And not only the technically inaccurate assertions stated in that article about HEVC decoding but, as I noted previously in the middle two paragraphs here ( http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....al#post7456457 ), I’m finding it rather hypocritical of so many of these online tech writers now to be suddenly exploiting the technical deficiencies of current HDMI 1.4, when there has been such a clueless, disinterested response to frame rates > 30, for anything other than gaming.

Although, I would say to serious 3D aficionados who are interested in a future-proofed 4K display purchase that it would indeed be a good idea to jump in after HDMI 2.0 connectors appear on these sets because that has the potential to unlock the door to better 3D applications.
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Also, the current HDMI spec (1.4?) can already transmit 4k video at 30Hz.
Yes, it’s 1.4…currently at the moment. To elaborate a bit more for the tech geeks out there, 1.4 spec defines 297MHz for 4K, up to 30fps and 8-bit 4:4:4 color.

I would expect HDMI 2.0 to go to 594MHz for 60fps, or 30fps in 3D. For the color theoretical thinkers out there, 12-bit color would be theoretically possible but only with subsampled 4:2:2.
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So is anyone here eager to pick up a copy of Sony's 4K Remastered titles?
I'm considering grabbing The Amazing Spider-Man, to compare.
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Wonder if HDMI 2.0 will be ready in time for the PS4 to support it?
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So is anyone here eager to pick up a copy of Sony's 4K Remastered titles?
I'm considering grabbing The Amazing Spider-Man, to compare.
Yes I plan on doing the same, If you don't already you should pick up the regular blu ray version to really compare
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So is anyone here eager to pick up a copy of Sony's 4K Remastered titles?
LOL, no.

Bluray is supposed to be the pinnacle of home video. Every title should be stellar, without any need for re-releases, fixes, remasters or any other gimmicks. If they can't get things right the first time then you should not support these companies by buying their product. It has just become a joke at this stage.
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LOL, no.

Bluray is supposed to be the pinnacle of home video. Every title should be stellar, without any need for re-releases, fixes, remasters or any other gimmicks. If they can't get things right the first time then you should not support these companies by buying their product. It has just become a joke at this stage.
Yep, true 4k or nothing at all.
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lol, so in response to this post which I made on another thread here - http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....cp#post7520036 , I receive a PM from a sarcastic fellow priding himself as a “loyal member of the HTF” (which is another forum on the internet) as a qualification to inform me that “commercial theaters don’t do 4K DCPs PERIOD even if they have 4K projectors because there is no distribution system for that to be”.

My response was “Yeah, I read essentially the same thing on the internet back in 2010 from a guy who happens to be a professional cinematographer, scroll down to post #35 - http://www.cinematography.com/index....c=48789&page=2

In the following post (#36) on that same page, Antti, who is a projectionist in freakin Europe, set him straight.”

I haven't heard any response from the fellow who PMed me.
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^ For some other 4K DCPs which have been delivered to local commercial theaters in the U.S. >

Lincoln
4K DCP Technicolor Digital Cinema
4096 x 1716 (4K scope)
197.5 GB
Run Time: 2:29:27
Credits Start: 2:21:04
5.1/7.1 Audio

Skyfall
4K DCP
SCOPE
214GB
Run time: 02:22:58
Credit offset: 02:17:59
5.1 Audio

That's My Boy (2012)
DCP:4096 x 1716 (4K scope)
GB ( ummm, perhaps to discuss at another time…unless someone out there can tell me what the typical DCP encoding system defaults to (in terms of MBit/s for 2K content, which is where I’m going with the point), if so, then I’ll spill the beans right now on the size (GB)

Run Time: 1:55:51
Credits Start: 1:50:32
5.1 Audio
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So is anyone here eager to pick up a copy of Sony's 4K Remastered titles?
I'm considering grabbing The Amazing Spider-Man, to compare.
That’s somewhat of a personal decision based upon the cost/value proposition to each consumer. The most substantial gain with ‘Mastered in 4K’ offerings will be to those first version Blu-ray titles which did not look like their original theatrical presentations in the first place despite excuses made by professional reviewers (who, unless they have some deficiency involving their eyesight, would then appear to be unable to act impartially because of a conflict of interest, i.e. they clearly have too close a tie or *relationship* with someone at the studio or provider of the content, thusly biasing their judgment and preventing an honest, genuine review for their followers).

So, for example, getting a new fresh high-rez scan from the proper film source with authentic color correction will be of most value to titles like Ghostbusters and Bram Stoker’s Dracula, if the later is ever announced to be remastered.

I itemized the more esoteric benefits here with the value being maximized for consumers who own, or will own Sony 4K tv’s….http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....it#post7512866
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Wonder if HDMI 2.0 will be ready in time for the PS4 to support it?
Theoretically, even if HDMI 2.0 were ready, you still need the (new) silicon to make 4K 60fps all work. I would say that at this point in time, you should not count on 4K 60fps support when the devices roll off the assembly line.

Later on it could be physically *possible* to do a hardware upgrade to achieve 4K 60fps but, whether or not that would actually be offered (and happen) for 1st generation PS4’s already in consumers’ homes, is another thing entirely.
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