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Old 01-25-2012, 04:59 PM   #261
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My Birth of a Nation seems to be stuck in the slipcover. Anybody know how to get it out?
Me too. It's stuck in there like a mother. I can't figure why they shipped them like that. The slip clearly wasn't made for the wide-body 3-disc cases. It's not tight - it simply don't fit.

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Old 02-09-2012, 02:07 PM   #262
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Does anybody know if Way Down East is region free? Thanks.
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:40 PM   #263
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Does anybody know if Way Down East is region free? Thanks.
To answer my own question, Yes, it is region free.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:29 PM   #264
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Far be it for me to kick over a rock and start a debate anew, I'm actually wrestling with picking up Birth of a Nation myself to add to my collection of movies, but as a student of movies and culture, I am also painfully aware of its reputation. So, here to me are the pros and cons and my own internal struggle on the movie.

Pro: For good or ill, this was the birth of the modern feature film. Very few American made movies prior to BOAN were over 20-30 minutes at best. Griffith changed the rules and how movies were made and presented with one movie. It is for this reason the movie should be seen and respected.

Con: It is nakedly racist. There is no other way to even look at it. Just because it reflected cultural norms and acceptabilities of the time does not make it any less wrong now. It is for this reason the movie should be shunned as something disgraceful, something that actually revived the Klan which was forced underground following Reconstruction in the American South.

So, therein lies the issues for me. Am I going to get the movie? Eventually and inevitably, yes. Indeed, I am considering getting it and The Jazz Singer at the same time as the bookends for the silent era of Hollywood. But to me, the movie is a historical piece and a reflection of an era and of thought and nothing more. It does not make me racist, it does not make me wrong, it does make me educated and therefore capable of understanding the questions and issues and then able to debate them.

So, maybe even from a very dark and twisted seed, something beautiful can be cultivated, if that makes any sense.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:17 PM   #265
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Be careful... according to what you've written, just watching this film will make you join the KKK.

Watch it and enjoy it for what it is and for what it's meant to film.
And forget all that other stuff.
Nah, just a film geek with a major in history and a minor in Poli Sci. Hard truth is the controversy is a part of BOAN's legacy and to ignore it is to ignore that history. It all has to be taken lump sum, contributions and detractions, profane and sacred.
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Old 04-11-2013, 03:25 PM   #266
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Is there a chance for a Criterion release of this? If so, I can hold off on buying this now.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:07 PM   #267
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Kino has been doing a fine job on silent films. Their transfers are on a par with Criterion.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:26 PM   #268
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KKK is the same as the Black panthers or Nation of Islam.All of it is evil.
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:27 PM   #269
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Is there a chance for a Criterion release of this? If so, I can hold off on buying this now.
Not likely.

Kino's release is pretty good, so I wouldn't worry about holding out for a hypothetical release which probably won't happen...
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:56 PM   #270
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I had seen bits and pieces Of Birth Of A Nation on TCM once and reading all these posts made me go and order the blu ray.
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Old 04-11-2013, 07:12 PM   #271
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@bigshot & MTRodaba2468,

Thanks guys, good to know. Haven't heard much about Kino releases but will get this.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:26 PM   #272
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Just read this thread from the beginning to the end and I feel exhausted.

I first did a double take as I had no idea BOAN had been released on blu-ray, I have never watched this movie but I am aware of its reputation and place in history.

It was quite refreshing to read the different viewpoints expressed about this movie by members, especially the contributions made by Blu-Dog & Bigshot and this made quite a welcoming change from reading posts of "my steel book has a dent " or " my amazon order has not arrived ( I hasten to add I too have made these kind of posts )

Will I be purchasing this movie ? Yes, will I enjoy it ? Probably not but as a "student " of film and a lover of blu-rays I feel I owe it to myself to at least watch it once.

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Old 04-12-2013, 01:53 AM   #273
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Good for you. The Blu-ray is the best the film has looked so far. By the way, Griffiths next film "Intolerance" is also part of the Cohen Film Collection.:

The main feature in the set will have Carl Davis' score, but the set will also feature two stories that D.W. Griffith excised from Intolerance for re-release in 1919: The Mother and the Law, and The Fall of Babylon. I haven't done an exhaustive comparison, but the content of these two films is somewhat different from the footage that appears in Intolerance, including a completely different ending for one of them... which Griffith appears to have filmed as an alternate ending at the time, since it features the same actors in the same costumes, and is completely incompatible with the ending in Intolerance as it stands.

For more information, go to http://www.nitrateville.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14524
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:10 AM   #274
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Any silent film with a Carl Davis score is worth getting.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:21 AM   #275
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Does the BOAN blu-ray include the new version that plays "America F**k Yeah" during the credits?

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Old 04-12-2013, 03:43 AM   #276
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Every time I see BOAN in a forum the first claims are that this is a must see movie as it is the first real feature film released. In actual fact this is not true. Cabiria was released in 1914 - a year before BOAN and much less controversial. My $$$ are better spent on watching true innovation rather than someone collecting together ideas from other people and adding controversy to make a sale.
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Every time I see BOAN in a forum the first claims are that this is a must see movie as it is the first real feature film released. In actual fact this is not true. Cabiria was released in 1914 - a year before BOAN and much less controversial. My $$$ are better spent on watching true innovation rather than someone collecting together ideas from other people and adding controversy to make a sale.
Yeah, and there were talking films before The Jazz Singer also, and 3D films before Avatar (not to mention it's Dances With Wolves with a bit of Titanic). Doesn't change the fact that Birth of a Nation, like The Jazz Singer and Avatar after it, changed the industry.
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Now I'm very intrigued to watch this.
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Old 09-14-2013, 03:00 PM   #279
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The UK BD comes with a very interesting booklet containing articles both for and against the film.

Personally, I think the film is both great epic and racist trash. Even in its day, it was heavily protested against.

Had Griffith done a film that focused on the battles between the North and South, that would have been fine. I'm not sure he was aware of just what his film was advocating, but I do suspect he was aware in production that a controversey would result in ticket sales.
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