The Star Trek Original 6 movies thread

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by double_l4488

Just watched the Search for Spock which I have not watched in years. The movie is decent, not as good as the Voyage Home, but nevertheless okay. The visual quality though on this particular Blu-ray just not really good at all. I don't know if it's DNR or what, just looks lifeless.

Yep, just an old master with some EE and DNR thrown in. Paramount pulled a rush job on all 10 movies in 2008-2009 to get them released for when Abram's Star Trek hit disc. The only one of all 10 BDs that received any special treatment was The Wrath of Khan, which is why it looks the best.

[Revolution 9]

Originally Posted by nametag

The TNG films only really had one good one though (First Contact), and I have some affection for Generations.

While First Contract may have been the only "great" film from the TNG cast, I thought the other 3 films were enjoyable too. I certainly liked them better than ST:TMP, ST3, and ST5.

Originally Posted by nametag

They just didn't quite work out how to put TNG into a good 'movie' context IMO, and tried to up the action when that wasn't really what TNG was about.

You can't expect these films to mirror what the TV series was doing. The films from the original crew were nothing like the original series. Same holds true for the TNG crew and their films.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Revolution 9

While First Contract may have been the only "great" film from the TNG cast...

Was that one set on Ferenginar?

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

Was that one set on Ferenginar?

Oh... that was not only a brilliant catch... it was also a brilliant follow-through!

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Oh... that was not only a brilliant catch... it was also a brilliant follow-through!

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Yep, just an old master with some EE and DNR thrown in. Paramount pulled a rush job on all 10 movies in 2008-2009 to get them released for when Abram's Star Trek hit disc. The only one of all 10 BDs that received any special treatment was The Wrath of Khan, which is why it looks the best.

Nemesis also looks great...probably sourced from the D.I.

[obriensg1]

Well they have the Stardate Collection releasing in September, probably on the same day Into Darkness will hit Blu. It will contain the first ten films.

If Paramount was smart they'd redo the FX in the directors cut of the first one, remaster them, and include the longer cuts of I, II, and VI. Then for a long time, have them only available in the ten film collection. I don't own 1, 5, or 6 on Bluray, or 5 and 6 period. Had the collectors edition DVDs of all films (except TMP) till I got Bluray then I sold them to a Trek loving friend. I'm sure I'd sell the films I have to her or somewhere else and buy the giant package.

Current collection of Trek
TNG Seasons 1-3 Blu-ray
TOS Season 1 (Remastered HD DVD/ DVD. Paid over $120 for it in 2007. First time I'd purchased a season. Now they are like $45 on BD lol)
Trek Trilogy Blu-ray
Picard Collection Blu-ray
Star Trek 2009 Blu-ray

[chromosomeboo]

Wheew... I dodged a bullet to my wallet there. I will wait until they release all the previous movies in updated special editions, with Theatrical and Director's Cut/Special Editions in an updated transfer and perhaps some recompositing of some effects work, if possible. That would be so sweet to see if that were possible... please make it so.

As for the new ST:ID, well... it didn't take long for this new universe to regurgitate the remains of great Trek films did it?

So a lot of people believe that it was the 40 plus years of backstory and continuity that killed Trek.
Excuse but movies do that all the time... its called backstory.
Its supposed to enrich the world the characters inhabit, a new viewer does not need to look back at something referenced in a character's story. Its there but its up to them to pursue that information if need be. I think its a plus for a new Trek viewer to watch a Trek movie and hear about an adventure that the crew had and have the option to go and see that story if they wish. Most movies do not have that... they try but it fails "Prometheus" anyone!

Anyone who uses the argument be it a viewer, critic, film maker is a moron.
It's called laziness... which is why we see revisiting of scenarios and characters where promises of new adventures/scenarios were hinted at.

So, my hope for the next trek movie will be about something unique, brainy and with some action. Please scuttle the Klingons, we've had them in almost all the previous movies in one way or another. Bring forth the lesser known species and give them a starring vehicle in the next movie, as protagonist or antagonists.

Bring on the Andorians, Tholians and or Gorn... Tellarites. I've mentioned this in another forum, if they are playing with the scenarios of other stories and changing the progession in which they occurred, they could bring on the Crystalline Entity and include the Tholians to that story.

Infact, I offer that as a story point. A rouge sect of the Tholian Sodality have discovered the Crystalline Entity and are spreading fear and panic across the Beta Quadrant, perhaps its a god they worship. We could have the Tholian Sodality involved as antagonists (worshippers) and the protagonists (Tholian sect who don't believe) involved.

Anything that mixes up the scenarios without replaying the greatest hits record is a plus in my book... and please, no more revenge scenarios with a big bad and his bigger than ours ship.

Its bad enough they had to go and make their Enterprise bigger than the previous versions.

[Dennis Nedry]

Originally Posted by chromosomeboo

[Show spoiler]Wheew... I dodged a bullet to my wallet there. I will wait until they release all the previous movies in updated special editions, with Theatrical and Director's Cut/Special Editions in an updated transfer and perhaps some recompositing of some effects work, if possible. That would be so sweet to see if that were possible... please make it so.

As for the new ST:ID, well... it didn't take long for this new universe to regurgitate the remains of great Trek films did it?

So a lot of people believe that it was the 40 plus years of backstory and continuity that killed Trek.
Excuse but movies do that all the time... its called backstory.
Its supposed to enrich the world the characters inhabit, a new viewer does not need to look back at something referenced in a character's story. Its there but its up to them to pursue that information if need be. I think its a plus for a new Trek viewer to watch a Trek movie and hear about an adventure that the crew had and have the option to go and see that story if they wish. Most movies do not have that... they try but it fails "Prometheus" anyone!

Anyone who uses the argument be it a viewer, critic, film maker is a moron.
It's called laziness... which is why we see revisiting of scenarios and characters where promises of new adventures/scenarios were hinted at.

So, my hope for the next trek movie will be about something unique, brainy and with some action. Please scuttle the Klingons, we've had them in almost all the previous movies in one way or another. Bring forth the lesser known species and give them a starring vehicle in the next movie, as protagonist or antagonists.

Bring on the Andorians, Tholians and or Gorn... Tellarites. I've mentioned this in another forum, if they are playing with the scenarios of other stories and changing the progession in which they occurred, they could bring on the Crystalline Entity and include the Tholians to that story.

Infact, I offer that as a story point. A rouge sect of the Tholian Sodality have discovered the Crystalline Entity and are spreading fear and panic across the Beta Quadrant, perhaps its a god they worship. We could have the Tholian Sodality involved as antagonists (worshippers) and the protagonists (Tholian sect who don't believe) involved.

Anything that mixes up the scenarios without replaying the greatest hits record is a plus in my book... and please, no more revenge scenarios with a big bad and his bigger than ours ship.

Its bad enough they had to go and make their Enterprise bigger than the previous versions.

Well, Nemesis rehashed Wrath of Khan, then Star Trek 09 rehashed Nemesis, now Into Darkness has rehashed Wrath of Khan. It's been a long time since we've seen some originality in Star Trek.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by chromosomeboo

Wheew... I dodged a bullet to my wallet there. I will wait until they release all the previous movies in updated special editions, with Theatrical and Director's Cut/Special Editions in an updated transfer and perhaps some recompositing of some effects work, if possible. That would be so sweet to see if that were possible... please make it so.

Personally I don't think that's going to happen any time soon, IF EVER. With Paramount's financial situation and the attitude towards catalog titles in general I'd give an ice cube staying frozen in hell a better chance.

You'll simply won't have the TREK films on Blu-ray if you wait for that.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Dennis Nedry

Well, Nemesis rehashed Wrath of Khan, then Star Trek 09 rehashed Nemesis, now Into Darkness has rehashed Wrath of Khan. It's been a long time since we've seen some originality in Star Trek.

That's a new one.

Did you even see those films?

[Dennis Nedry]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

That's a new one.

Did you even see those films?

I could ask you the same question.

Actually, just watch that video I linked to in the Next Generation thread.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Dennis Nedry

I could ask you the same question.

Actually, just watch that video I linked to in the Next Generation thread.

Videos are blocked here.

But other than there being Romulans with a large ship ST09 is NOTHING like Nemesis. End of story.

[Dennis Nedry]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Videos are blocked here.

But other than there being Romulans with a large ship ST09 is NOTHING like Nemesis. End of story.

I can tell you love Abrams' Star Trek and loathe Nemesis and really don't want to consider there being much, if any, similarities between the two but no, not quite "end of story".

The video itself is really good but if you're unable to access it from the Agony Booth website, I'll list the author's relevant comparison points here:

Has Romulans. Central villain is a bald guy who worked in the mines but now he has a superweapon that can destroy planets. He plans to use it against Earth even though his anger might be a wee bit misplaced. And somewhere in the middle of all this, Captain Archer gets name-dropped and we get a totally pointless car chase.

Reviewer says watching them back-to-back, both movies are stunningly mediocre but the only substantial difference between the two is one of them had a name director and a cast of hot young actors and the other did... not.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Dennis Nedry

I can tell you love Abrams' Star Trek and loathe Nemesis and really don't want to consider there being much, if any, similarities between the two but no, not quite "end of story".

I don't loathe Nemesis. I consider it a weak TNG film and a sad ending to their series. At least the TOS crew got another shot at it after the horrible Final Frontier.

Has Romulans. Central villain is a bald guy who worked in the mines but now he has a superweapon that can destroy planets. He plans to use it against Earth even though his anger might be a wee bit misplaced. And somewhere in the middle of all this, Captain Archer gets name-dropped and we get a totally pointless car chase.

Yes, and Wrath of Khan has a guy in a spaceship shooting at another spaceship, so it's a Star Wars ripoff.

Reviewer says watching them back-to-back, both movies are stunningly mediocre but the only substantial difference between the two is one of them had a name director and a cast of hot young actors and the other did... not.

Bulls--t. That attitude says it all.

[Batmon77]

I saw the original and Khan in the theatre. And passed on the Voyage home.

All 4 are great. The Save The Whales one was so much fun.

im scared off the next installments.

[Dennis Nedry]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I don't loathe Nemesis. I consider it a weak TNG film and a sad ending to their series. At least the TOS crew got another shot at it after the horrible Final Frontier.

Fair enough. A popular opinion, to be sure and probably close to how I will reevaluate the movie tomorrow.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Yes, and Wrath of Khan has a guy in a spaceship shooting at another spaceship, so it's a Star Wars ripoff.

You know that's a specious argument, needlessly going as vague as possible instead of the more specific similarities the reviewer pointed out.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Bulls--t. That attitude says it all.

??

I'm guessing this means "he doesn't agree with me so his viewpoint is bullshit". Or that he didn't give the new movie a fair shake because of the big name director/hot young actors. I'm pretty sure he's a reasonable guy, judging by the reviews of his I've seen. But whatever. Trekkie Nerd Rage seething just below the surface is unbecoming, regardless of one's crew preferences and I honestly don't care about either movie enough to say anything else.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Dennis Nedry

Well, Nemesis rehashed Wrath of Khan, then Star Trek 09 rehashed Nemesis, now Into Darkness has rehashed Wrath of Khan. It's been a long time since we've seen some originality in Star Trek.

Nemesis rehashed Wrath of Khan only in the fact that it was a revenge story of sorts but even that is streatching it. and both had the death of a main character. However both of JJ's movies are rehashes of Wrath of Khan just broken out into 2 films. Wrath of Khan - villian mad at Kirk for his actions against the villian, wants to destroy everything Kirk hold dear. 2009 Star Trek - villian mad at Spock for his actions against the villian, wants to destory everything Spock hold dear. but none of these 3 movies are nearly as good as Wrath of Khan - that's the biggest difference.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Yes, and Wrath of Khan has a guy in a spaceship.

actually it is a rip-off of a rip-off since Trek was a series before Star Wars was a movie and a lot of the ILM guys watched Trek as kids

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Dennis Nedry

You know that's a specious argument, needlessly going as vague as possible instead of the more specific similarities the reviewer pointed out.

His arguments are equally specious. Young Jim Kirk at the wheel of his stepfather's Corvette is nothing like the dune buggy chase. The reasons for Shinzon's motivations and Nero's are completely different, as are the Scimitar and the Narada. What events each antagonist set in motion and the time involved is completely different as well.

Now if Nero had been Spock's clone he might have a point.