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Old 04-04-2013, 02:43 AM   #161
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One thing to watch for with DVD - dual-sided discs. Those have serious issues if they are not manufactured with the highest quality. The two sides can separate and oxidation can set in, rendering the disc unplayable. My Battlestar Galactica Cylon-head box set (the 1978 series with the original large-size head box set) were all dual-sided discs. Over half of the discs in the set rotted in just a few years, becoming unplayable. I discovered this the hard way when I tried to watch an episode one night. I then went in and discovered just how bad the situation was. I contacted Universal and they replaced the defective discs, but warned me they would not replace them again. Like it was my fault their discs were rotting in the box.
All DVDs are dual-sided. They are all manufactured the same way by having two "platters" fastened together by a curing process whether they are DVD-5 (SS-SL), DVD-9 (SS-DL), DVD-10 (DS-SL),DVD-14 (DS-SL-DL9), or DVD-18 (DS-DL-DL).

However, discs with multiple layers spread across two sides (DVD-14 and DVD-18) are more difficult to manufacture and more prone to having defects that will eventually render the discs unplayable.
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:09 AM   #162
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Does it hang up in the same spot on different players?
I intended to check this a while ago, and didn't for some reason. I'll let ya know soon. Silly me!

edit: Just tried it on my computer, to find my computer doesn't play anything now. PowerDVD 11 keeps prompting me to upgrade to 13 for $55. Do they really only last until a better version's out, and then make you upgrade again? I haven't used a blu on the computer for a while... Anyway, as for Cloverfield, that's all my players, because my wife doesn't have any software. I'll search for something free, and get back to ya if I find something. Otherwise, I won't test it until I'm next at my parents house.

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Old 04-04-2013, 06:33 AM   #163
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Okay, I got a free trial of Arcsoft TotalMedia Theatre 6. Trying it now...

It gets to the same point. It doesn't freeze like my PS3, but returns instantly to the start menu. Any ideas?
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Okay, I got a free trial of Arcsoft TotalMedia Theatre 6. Trying it now...

It gets to the same point. It doesn't freeze like my PS3, but returns instantly to the start menu. Any ideas?
I'd try it on another standalone player if you can.
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:44 AM   #165
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I'd try it on another standalone player if you can.
I'll try it on my parents Samsung when I can and report back. Cheers.
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:59 AM   #166
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One thing to watch for with DVD - dual-sided discs. Those have serious issues if they are not manufactured with the highest quality. The two sides can separate and oxidation can set in, rendering the disc unplayable. My Battlestar Galactica Cylon-head box set (the 1978 series with the original large-size head box set) were all dual-sided discs. Over half of the discs in the set rotted in just a few years, becoming unplayable. I discovered this the hard way when I tried to watch an episode one night. I then went in and discovered just how bad the situation was. I contacted Universal and they replaced the defective discs, but warned me they would not replace them again. Like it was my fault their discs were rotting in the box.

Ever since I've avoided dual-sided DVDs, especially by Universal. I bought Buck Rogers when it was originally sold as dual-sided discs, like Galactica. They recently re-released the episodes again as single-sided discs. I bought them again as single-sided because I fully expect the dual-sided set to rot just as Galactica did. I hate to give Universal any more money, but I like the series and want it to remain playable for me down the road.

Of course blu-ray discs won't have this issue thankfully.
This seems like an isolated incident. I have a few double sided DVDs and I haven't had problems with any of them--some of them are 5 years or older.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:41 AM   #167
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All DVDs are dual-sided. They are all manufactured the same way by having two "platters" fastened together by a curing process whether they are DVD-5 (SS-SL), DVD-9 (SS-DL), DVD-10 (DS-SL),DVD-14 (DS-SL-DL9), or DVD-18 (DS-DL-DL).

However, discs with multiple layers spread across two sides (DVD-14 and DVD-18) are more difficult to manufacture and more prone to having defects that will eventually render the discs unplayable.
You're right of course - all DVDs are bonded together with 2 platters. But generally when referred to as "dual-sided" it is generally understood that we're talking about both sides being playable, which as you noted can cause more issues.
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Old 04-10-2013, 10:43 AM   #168
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This seems like an isolated incident. I have a few double sided DVDs and I haven't had problems with any of them--some of them are 5 years or older.
I'm glad to hear it. I'm still paranoid about it though. I have a few other dual-sided discs and I'd hate for them to go bad. I can't believe what happened to the Galactica discs.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:16 PM   #169
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I'm glad to hear it. I'm still paranoid about it though. I have a few other dual-sided discs and I'd hate for them to go bad. I can't believe what happened to the Galactica discs.
I hear you, I have a couple of OOP titles that aren't on blu-ray that I would hate to have to re-buy. The Galactica set was probably a manufacturing defect though, just based on how many of the discs went bad.

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Old 09-10-2013, 05:18 PM   #170
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(Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I just noticed that grrrarg had responded to my post about waves/"veins" in the clear plastic!)

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that is the difference between the 2 different packaging methods:

1) cellophane with y-folds at the top and bottom (you'll know it when you see it) - this method will never damage the case.

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2) heat shrinkwrapping, where there is just a seam along the edges and it uses a cheaper plastic wrap (this will damage the plastic on the actual blu-ray case most of the time and cause the issues you described)
You know, that's it. Of course. I used to work in a cassette/VHS duplication house and we used both these methods. The first is called "cigarrette wrap" from its use on cig packs and is done at room temperature in a machine. The second is actual "shrinkwrapping": putting the product in a clear plastic bag and sending it through a heat tunnel, which shrinks the wrapping around the product.

I will petition shrinkwrapping!

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As for That 70's Show -- Mill Creek only uses heat shrinkwrapping from what I know, so every copy produced will be damaged in the way you described. You'll really need to just buy replacement cases if you want the release since it isn't possible to get one without the plastic damaged at retail.
And that's exactly what I did since my post; just bought a couple 4-disc cases from Casetopia.

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I swap out all of my cases that were heat shrinkwrapped.
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Old 09-10-2013, 05:33 PM   #171
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It's not always as easy as replacing the case, though. I have a fair number of BDs (and DVDs!) that were so overheated in the shrinkwrapping process that the case slick has been permanently crumpled as well.

In the early, more innocent days of the DVD era, distributors would fairly readily replace damaged slicks, often free of charge. These days? Not a chance. We're all pirates, of course, unless we can prove otherwise. (And there's bugger-all chance of that.)
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Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead.

I never had issue with a blu-ray disc before but I recently bought a DVD and notice this:

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Is this normal? Will this effect the disc later on?
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I've seen that on DVDs, BDs, HD DVDs, and LaserDiscs.... I wouldn't worry about it.
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Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead.

[Show spoiler]I never had issue with a blu-ray disc before but I recently bought a DVD and notice this:

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Is this normal? Will this effect the disc later on?
This is my German blu ray of Under the Skin:



I don't know if it will have any effect on the lifespan of the blu ray. But the worst disc manufacturing I've seen is the Full Metal Jacket digibook bonus DVD of Stanley Kubrick Boxes documentary:



When I first got it the edges actually felt slightly sticky from the glue residue. The front of the disc also looked poorly made, you can see the layers of colors from the printer, it looked like it was printed on a primitive color printer from 1995. And speaking of that release, check out the evolution of the blu ray disc in it. First it had custom artwork exclusive to the digibook release:



Then they switched it to the discs from the standard blu ray release:



And finally they cheapened it up to the extreme:



I don't know if this means that the disc won't last as long, but surely it can't be good that they're clearly cutting corners on disc production costs. It took me forever to find a live copy on eBay with the original custom artwork and the Boxes DVD is of much higher quality as well, on both sides.

There seems to be a pattern that says that if the disc is poorly made and is prone to "disc rot", then it will probably rot and become unplayable within the first 5 years or so as it became evident with some of Criterion's pre-2010 releases. However, if it's properly manufactured and isn't prone to disc rot, then it will last for a looong time - no one knows how much exactly. People who have replied in this thread say that they have CDs which they bought in the late 80s that play just fine. So if it's properly made and taken care of, it very well might last for as long as you live.
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