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Old 03-07-2013, 01:46 AM   #261
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Gave this a viewing tonight. I've seen The Insider on DVD numerous times and I have to say the color changes on the Blu were fairly jarring. Still, the benefits far override that. Excellent picture quality overall.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:38 AM   #262
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Two lines of dialogue were deleted.

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Sadly the "sift through the detritus" line was my favorite in the whole film. It was a bit of a poetic flourish, not especially realistic, more theatrical, but I miss it.
Uk disc shows runtime of 163 mins compared to the 170 of the US disc. I guess that would make it the original theatrical cut if the info is correct.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:54 AM   #263
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Uk disc shows runtime of 163 mins compared to the 170 of the US disc. I guess that would make it the original theatrical cut if the info is correct.
The link describes why there is essentially no significant difference in runtime attributable to the changes. Rather, runtime differences are due to PAL versus NTSC.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:04 AM   #264
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The link describes why there is essentially no significant difference in runtime attributable to the changes. Rather, runtime differences are due to PAL versus NTSC.
Ok. My mistake. I should have read all of it lol.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:40 PM   #265
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And you seem to fail to understand the BASIC concepts of what resolution is, and what it does. It's cool that you think an image with half the resolution will looks exactly the same as one with twice the resolution... and that everything within that frame is subject to an upgrade when you increase resolution. That includes — gasp! — color. If you don't understand that, then I cant explain anything else to you.
As I quite explicitly already said above, that is nowhere and in no way what I am saying. Stop playing straw-man. We're discussing COLOR. Not resolution capabilities which are obviously significantly improved which is among the reasons BD looks VASTLY better than DVD. Your claim was about COLOR saturation (and here I have to take liberty because your claim is actually entirely vague and poorly articulated).

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Have fun with your "encoding", but hopefully you never work on any films I'm involved with. For what it's worth, I can play a DVD and a blu-ray side by side, and the blu-ray has better, more vibrant colors. That is a FACT.
No, it isn't. You've never coded HD, you've never worked with HD and SD side by side, and you most certainly don't have any video background.

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4:2:0 or not. It;s funny that you are the only person who can't see a difference, but maybe you should stick to DVD since it's just as good?
Of course not. DVD is not nearly even close to as good. You can't answer my question about color, so now you simply shift ignorantly to trying to claim that I said anywhere that DVD and BD are the same universally (which of course they are not.)

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Its still 4:2:0 but since the luma res increases so does the color res.
Duh. Exactly as I said before.

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So its 1920*1080 with 960*540 (Color)

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720*480 with 360*240 (color)
Again, duh. Your point? Spatial resolution doesn't have to do with gamut or color capabilities, which is what we're discussing.

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Also the improvment in mastering and encoding also helps.
This is true. But this doesn't have to do with the format itself.

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Also, Blu-ray is based on the ATSC standards and DVD is based on NTSC. ATSC uses a different color space (REC709) versus NTSC (REC601) which allows for better color gamut.
Again, this is what I explained above. This doesn't (really) affect what's on the disc. This standard really only comes into play with display choice and display calibration if you have a color management system.

Once again, you have nowhere pointed out ANY place that BD offers improved color capabilities, expanded gamut capabilities, or anything else.

You are also confusing a whole bunch of terms together. 709 and 601 define the matrix coefficients for the Y'CbCr coding. This coding difference is immaterial. 601 does not define a gamut. 709 does define a gamut which is slightly different than the de-facto standard for SD content in the Americas, which is SMPTE C. The slight gamut difference between SMPTE C and 709 is a display difference, not a content difference, and the difference is small. It doesn't have to do with BD versus DVD from a content perspective, and if content is actually mastered with this difference in mind, the BD actually would end up encoded slightly less saturated (on reds) than DVD to appear the same.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:45 PM   #266
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Yes, they are completely relevant. Color space is only as good as its OUTPUT. Whether or not a DVD is encoded with the same color resolution is what's irrelevant, if the DVD format cannot output the same range as Blu-Ray. And it can't based on a number of limitations in the DVD format.
May I get you some toilet paper? That must have been quite an effort to write that paragraph.

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Thanks for disregarding the portions of my post that actually back up what I'm saying. I guess it's easier to make a point that way? To ignore the facts?
You mischaracterize, and don't even understand what it is you're trying to say.

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Blu-ray is based on the ATSC standards and DVD is based on NTSC. ATSC uses a different color space (REC709) versus NTSC (REC601) which allows for better color gamut.
As I explained, 601 is not really a color space. Can you tell me what the primary chromaticities for Rec 601 are? No. You can't. Because they don't exist.

It's also funny that you keep referenceing NTSC, when NTSC gamut is actually significantly larger than that standardized for BD or DVD.

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Gamut is a certain complete subset of colors. The most common usage refers to the subset of colors which can be accurately represented in a given circumstance, such as within a given color space or by a certain output device."
Where did you paste that from?

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That means, blu-rays are able to reproduce a higher range of colors (what I've said all along), which results in a larger color patelle and a more vivid colors overall because more color is present.
Except that it doesn't mean that at all, and it doesn't result in that because there is not 'more color' present.

I have asked you repeatedly to explain where this 'more color' comes from. And all you can do is misconstrue the relevance of display gamut, which is actually contrary to your argument, amusingly enough.

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And... Its still 4:2:0 but since the luma res increases so does the color res.
You got one thing right, which everyone agrees on: that BD offers more resolution than DVD. Good for you.

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Old 03-08-2013, 10:23 AM   #267
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Lol! I think it's clear to everyone here but himself that Retablo is just another armchair expert with no real world experience of the subject at hand.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:02 PM   #268
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Just finally got around to ordering this, best price I have seen is from barnes and noble.com. You have to search bn.com for insider and it will find the title that way, its on there site for 14.86 and i had a 15% off coupon, and I did free shipping so it should arrive anyday now. Can't wait to watch it.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:49 AM   #269
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Got this for $12 shipped new on ebay. Looking forward to seeing it. Only saw a tv edited version a few years back.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:38 AM   #270
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The DVD is pretty bad. The black bars aren't even symmetrical.
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The PQ is acceptable, good-for-DVD quality but, yes, that business wherein the widescreen image is not centered on the screen was baffling. I forget which (and I've sold the DVD as I knew it would eventually hit BD) but one of the black bars is fatter than the other. Needless to say, here's hoping that meshugas is corrected on the BD.
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Bottom is much thicker than the top. It's baffling. Watching it is very awkward. I bought mine off Ebay several yrs. ago. Thought I had a pirated or flawed copy until I began reading reviews. I'll second other hopes expressed here about the upcoming blu transfer. This is a beautifully photographed movie. Those at the controls need to do it justice. A nice new bonus feature or 2 would be nice also.
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Michael Mann wanted a hanging picture effect with the scope aspect ratio on home video. Hard as it is to believe, it is intentional that one bar is bigger than the other.
Although this odd framing was not replicated on the BD, I "hilariously" note that the film's trailer on the BD does indeed feature this same mis-framing/"hanging picture effect" as the DVD.
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Old 12-06-2013, 10:12 PM   #271
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I picked this and Heat up on Blu-Ray today at B&N with a 20% off coupon, I can't wait to have a Michael Mann double-feature this weekend!
"She came along the alley and up the back steps the way she always used to. Doc hadn't seen her for over a year. Nobody had. Back then it was always sandals, bottom half of a flower-print bikini, faded Country Joe & the Fish t-shirt. Tonight she was all in flatland gear, hair a lot shorter than he remembered, looking just like she swore she'd never look."

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Wonderful film and an impressive catalog blu-ray. This is Michael Mann's best and definitely one of the last great Pacino performances, Insomnia was his last great performance. I do enjoy him in Two For The Money (where's that blu) and Ocean's Thirteen, but those performances aren't master acting types.
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Old 06-15-2014, 05:28 PM   #273
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Wonderful film and an impressive catalog blu-ray. This is Michael Mann's best and definitely one of the last great Pacino performances, Insomnia was his last great performance. I do enjoy him in Two For The Money (where's that blu) and Ocean's Thirteen, but those performances aren't master acting types.
Wow, I agree. Looking at his IMDb page, I haven't liked a film of his a lot since 2002 with Insomnia.
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Old 06-21-2015, 01:41 AM   #274
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Just saw this gem down to $12.99. With free shipping from Amazon, it's a no brainer. It will likely go down a little more in price, but it is well worth it to me at this current price point. I just watched this again the other night. Mann's direction is absolutely masterful, and Pacino and Crowe together are electric. One of Al Pacino's best, and most nuanced performances ever.
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