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Old 09-26-2008, 03:04 AM   #1
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Story, plot and people. Period. While I enjoy that bit of edgy "adult" material Dreamworks uses, Pixar just tells a better story. CGI wise, they both do a great job.

I believe Pixar just has a soul. I like the celebs and character voices much more. They just seem more, well, human. Dreamworks has great voices too, but when you have a tool like Jack Black (albeit, a talented tool) doing the voice of a cute Panda, the movie just is missing something.

Scumbag celebs doing "family friendly" movies just doesn't fool my gut reaction. I like Shrek a whole lot, but almost anything Pixar is most desired by me. Anyone like Dreamworks better?
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:06 AM   #2
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Dreamworks is like McDonalds, and Pixar is more of a 5 star resturant.

There seems to be no quality control over there.
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:11 AM   #3
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Dreamworks is like McDonalds, and Pixar is more of a 5 star resturant.

There seems to be no quality control over there.
That is one of the best analogies I've ever heard! Sometimes you are in the mood for McDonalds, but you usually feel unfulfilled or even a bit sick afterwards. And after the 3rd time eating the same thing at McDonalds, you really start to feel bad (I'm looking at you, Shrek 3).
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Pixar is best with animation. Nobody can top Pixar.
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Old 09-26-2008, 04:10 AM   #5
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Pixar is best with animation. Nobody can top Pixar.
Yeah, the animation just comes naturally to them. As for plot, they themselves say at Pixar "Story is king" and I'm so glad they get that. Any movie can be great visually but it takes something truly special to make a great plot with characters that are so full of life.
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:00 AM   #6
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I'm 38 and I LOVE TOONS. yes pixar is the best of all. they have the best storys of all. I cant think of one movie I dont like by pixar. now disney CGI is the worset of all THE WILD was horrible I dont have it. but some times I want somthing bad. I mean adult humor funny bad. I did not like shrek 2 it was to soft and slow. I liked shrek 1 for the adult humor. I have a total of 22 animated movies out of my 51 Blu-rays the reast are mostly SCI-FI.
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:34 AM   #7
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Why is Pixar so much better than Dreamworks at CGI?

Maybe because of 10 years head start

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pixar_films

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Old 09-26-2008, 03:12 AM   #8
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Well dreamworks also does movies.

i liked madagascar and part 2 looks good...My son always runs around the house saying (i like to move it move it) lol i always get a kick out of that,
We also like to watch Antz alot.

kung fu panda....shrek 1 and 2...not 3...
shark tale was ok.
I did like bee movie somewhat too.

But cars, finding nemo and incredibles blow all that away.

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cars
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madagascar

Pretty much those 4 over and over until i hide them and he has to pick something different.
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:22 AM   #9
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Cars, Ratatouille, & Meet the Robinsons

Some of the best Blu-Rays if not theee best out.
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:29 AM   #10
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Cars, Ratatouille, & Meet the Robinsons

Some of the best Blu-Rays if not theee best out.
Meet the robinsons is Disney not Pixar, but still an awesome movie
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:38 AM   #11
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Well dreamworks also does movies.

i liked madagascar and part 2 looks good...My son always runs around the house saying (i like to move it move it) lol i always get a kick out of that,
We also like to watch Antz alot.

kung fu panda....shrek 1 and 2...not 3...
shark tale was ok.
I did like bee movie somewhat too.

But cars, finding nemo and incredibles blow all that away.

Movies my son has in rotation

cars
ice age 2
antz
madagascar

Pretty much those 4 over and over until i hide them and he has to pick something different.
Ice Age is NOT Dreamworks...it's Blue Sky Studios, which I affectionately call the East Coast Pixar (New Rochelle, NY). They are owned by Fox and though they are not in the same league as Pixar, they are a close second.They have a decent animation staff and the story lines on some of their productions (Ice Age mostly) have been somewhat compelling.
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:48 AM   #12
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When it comes to watching CGI animation in our home, Pixar rules. My wife and kids just love the Pixar films. My kids can't really stand any Dreamworks animation. If i would give my kids a choice (which i have before) between Shark Tales and Finding Nemo they choose Nemo every time. My wife and i like shrek 1 and 2 but it just seems like Dreamworks misses the mark for us. Their work is just not up to par with Pixar IMO.

The Incredibles is the best. I just love that movie. Come to blu soon
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:01 PM   #13
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My guess is that Pixar holds itself to a high standard and there are execs that refuse to release/approve crap. Disney is even guilty of releasing garbage that ruins their name by releasing B-cartoon releases that try to earn a buck based off of the original. They want your kid to see the original movie, but when walking into the store, try to grab your kids attention with familiar titles... Cindarella 2, Little Mermaid sequels, etc.

Some of these other animation companies have some pretty good titles. The first two Shreks were really good movies as was the first Ice Age. I'm sure there are others. I think they are just willing to approve movies that aren't great --- kinda like most live action movies out there Fortunately the standard for all animation is still higher than major live movies.
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I bet it's just that they work harder.

Dreamworks and others just want to get in on the cash flow they see with Pixar's movies.

(I usually get all those types of movies anyway Pixar, Dreamworks, Blue Sky, and others, because they are direct digital transfers and are just amazing looking in a Home Theater.)

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Yes, the tag line of "Story First" is the main reason Pixar is so successful, but also because they don't flaunt celebrities. Think about it, I just watched Madagascar on Blu-ray (my gf loves that movie) and about every 15 minutes you see a blatant reference to the celebrity that voices the character. When Alex (voiced by Ben Stiller) is getting his photo taken by the crowd, the first shot references Zoolander. Its a punch in the stomach to viewers to remind them that "yes, that's Ben Stiller, and isn't he funny?"

I rather like Pixar's approach of not highlighting the celebrity, just finding the voice that fits the character, not the other way around.

Of course, there are some breaks in that rule (Jeremy Piven as Lightning McQueen's manager referencing Entourage), but they are few and far between.
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Story, plot and people. Period. While I enjoy that bit of edgy "adult" material Dreamworks uses, Pixar just tells a better story.
You know, piss, dick, and fart jokes aren't really "adult" or "edgy" -- more like late 3rd grade to middle school.

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Pixar *buries* Dreamworks when it comes to character animation, with possible exceptions of Madagascar and Over the Hedge, both of which featured some wonderful work.

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I call that "sincerity". That's the distinction. DreamWorks is like a 15 year old trying to act more grown up than he is, so emotion and sincerity is viewed as borderline anathema...PIXAR is like a college graduate who could care less about trying to look cool to the tweener and high school crowd -- they make films from the heart, and they connect.
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You know, I was actually thinking about this recently. I'll agree that Pixar is without a doubt on the top of the animation mountain. And they always say that at Pixar, "story is key". And it's gotten to the point where in terms of what their weakest films are, it's all subjective and comes down to personal taste. While everyone is big on THE INCREDIBLES and WALL-E, I personally think FINDING NEMO is their best work, hands down, no substitutions.

But the thing with Pixar is that genius is always the order of the day. And for me, personally, it's starting to get a bit predictable. While everyone liked WALL-E, I found it to be average. I really didn't need all the group of robots as Wall-E's entourage. And the "biting satire" of the story is something I've seen before. I kinda had the same problem with THE INCREDIBLES, in that it was basically a G-Rated version of WATCHMEN. Plus, in comparison to PERSEPOLIS, it's "ballsiness" seemed quaint in comparison. But luckily, I get the sense that even the Pixar people themselves seem to sense this, and of the various projects announced and their plans, I really would like for them to do something new. I'd love to see them do a 2D animated film. I'd like to see them do JOHN CARTER OF MARS or a live action film.

Now with Dreamworks, they're hit and miss. More misses than actual hits. But when they do hit, they hit hard and make something truly memorable. I was more impressed with KUNG FU PANDA then I was of WALL-E this summer, maybe because my expectations were lower. I think we were all expecting another SHARK TALE, but they had a film with a real story, the celebrity voices actually gave the characters identity and depth, as opposed to just "guess the voice", the action sequences were amazing, and the humor was based in character and story and not pop culture gags. I think it was their most accomplished work since the first SHREK, which even after the third film, still has power. Just think of the montage that uses Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" so perfectly.

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You know, I was actually thinking about this recently. I'll agree that Pixar is without a doubt on the top of the animation mountain. And they always say that at Pixar, "story is key". And it's gotten to the point where in terms of what their weakest films are, it's all subjective and comes down to personal taste. While everyone is big on THE INCREDIBLES and WALL-E, I personally think FINDING NEMO is their best work, hands down, no substitutions.

But the thing with Pixar is that genius is always the order of the day. And for me, personally, it's starting to get a bit predictable. While everyone liked WALL-E, I found it to be average. I really didn't need all the group of robots as Wall-E's entourage. And the "biting satire" of the story is something I've seen before. I kinda had the same problem with THE INCREDIBLES, in that it was basically a G-Rated version of WATCHMEN. Plus, in comparison to PERSEPOLIS, it's "ballsiness" seemed quaint in comparison. But luckily, I get the sense that even the Pixar people themselves seem to sense this, and of the various projects announced and their plans, I really would like for them to do something new. I'd love to see them do a 2D animated film. I'd like to see them do JOHN CARTER OF MARS or a live action film.

Now with Dreamworks, they're hit and miss. More misses than actual hits. But when they do hit, they hit hard and make something truly memorable. I was more impressed with KUNG FU PANDA then I was of WALL-E this summer, maybe because my expectations were lower. I think we were all expecting another SHARK TALE, but they had a film with a real story, the celebrity voices actually gave the characters identity and depth, as opposed to just "guess the voice", the action sequences were amazing, and the humor was based in character and story and not pop culture gags. I think it was their most accomplished work since the first SHREK, which even after the third film, still has power. Just think of the montage that uses Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" so perfectly.
I do love how, in this post, you scorn Pixar for doing things with WALL-E that you've "seen before", and yet the decidedly derivative Kung Fu Panda gets a pass in that respect.

I found Kung Fu Panda to be entertaining, but ultimately it was nothing more than a toned-down version of Kung Fu Hustle with a fat panda in the lead role.

WALL-E, on the other hand, was entertaining, intelligent, timely and extremely moving.

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You know, I was actually thinking about this recently. I'll agree that Pixar is without a doubt on the top of the animation mountain. And they always say that at Pixar, "story is key". And it's gotten to the point where in terms of what their weakest films are, it's all subjective and comes down to personal taste. While everyone is big on THE INCREDIBLES and WALL-E, I personally think FINDING NEMO is their best work, hands down, no substitutions.

But the thing with Pixar is that genius is always the order of the day. And for me, personally, it's starting to get a bit predictable. While everyone liked WALL-E, I found it to be average. I really didn't need all the group of robots as Wall-E's entourage. And the "biting satire" of the story is something I've seen before. I kinda had the same problem with THE INCREDIBLES, in that it was basically a G-Rated version of WATCHMEN. Plus, in comparison to PERSEPOLIS, it's "ballsiness" seemed quaint in comparison. But luckily, I get the sense that even the Pixar people themselves seem to sense this, and of the various projects announced and their plans, I really would like for them to do something new. I'd love to see them do a 2D animated film. I'd like to see them do JOHN CARTER OF MARS or a live action film.

Now with Dreamworks, they're hit and miss. More misses than actual hits. But when they do hit, they hit hard and make something truly memorable. I was more impressed with KUNG FU PANDA then I was of WALL-E this summer, maybe because my expectations were lower. I think we were all expecting another SHARK TALE, but they had a film with a real story, the celebrity voices actually gave the characters identity and depth, as opposed to just "guess the voice", the action sequences were amazing, and the humor was based in character and story and not pop culture gags. I think it was their most accomplished work since the first SHREK, which even after the third film, still has power. Just think of the montage that uses Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" so perfectly.
Totally agree with you. Wall-E was meh. Not one of their best.
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