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Old 08-16-2013, 04:26 PM   #381
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Even if it were just 720p, that doesn't mean it's an upscale. The majority of HDTV broadcasts are 720p, but the movies they broadcast in 720p aren't upscales.
If it was scanned at 720p and broadcast at 720p it wouldn't be an upscale, but the Phantasm II blu ray is "an AVC encoded 1080p transfer" according to the blu-ray.com review, so if it was scanned at 720p (and that's just Oblivion138's guess, we don't know) it would have to be an upscale.
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An upscale with terminally blown-out highlights blew your mind?????
I can easily tell the different between an upscaled DVD and a native 1080p blu-ray / HD-DVD picture.

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Old 08-16-2013, 05:24 PM   #383
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I can easily tell the different between an upscaled DVD and a native 1080p blu-ray / HD-DVD picture.
Have a look at the comparison Kentai posted between the blu ray and the UK dvd, though...aside from differences in color and maybe a little less "ringing" on the blu ray image (I think I see some ringing around the sunglasses in the DVD version for instance), there's not really any apparent difference in level of fine detail. Of course, that might just be because the original film image was a bit soft.
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Have a look at the comparison Kentai posted between the blu ray and the UK dvd, though...aside from differences in color and maybe a little less "ringing" on the blu ray image (I think I see some ringing around the sunglasses in the DVD version for instance), there's not really any apparent difference in level of fine detail. Of course, that might just be because the original film image was a bit soft.
It is no better in motion either, I am more than happy to wait for a better release.
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Old 08-16-2013, 07:20 PM   #385
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I have a love/hate relationship with sequels that pick up exactly where the previous one leaves off. I love it from the sequel perspective to preserve story continuity however it can make the previous entry not feel complete or even worse, change your experience with it in the future. I think Phantasm II and III is a good example of this. I'm a big fan of II (mostly for nostalgic purposes) and I just recently saw the beginning of III. I will say that any future viewings of II will be changed forever knowing that
[Show spoiler]the blonde gets her face eaten off and then decapitated
just minutes after II ends. Oh well, I still love the style of the film!
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Old 08-16-2013, 09:43 PM   #386
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I can easily tell the different between an upscaled DVD and a native 1080p blu-ray / HD-DVD picture.
So then, you know this is an upscale.
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:47 AM   #387
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Even if it were just 720p, that doesn't mean it's an upscale. The majority of HDTV broadcasts are 720p, but the movies they broadcast in 720p aren't upscales.
If we're talking about scripted films and TV shows, most of those 720p broadcasts are down-conversions of 1080p masters. All the hardware involved in a modern workflow can handle 1080p, minimum, so all the 720p/1080i masters broadcasters get are conversions from a higher quality HD source.

If a Blu-ray were made from a 720p HDTV master, than yes, that would be an upscale. Still an HD source, but not the promised 1080 lines of vertical resolution.

Here's some food for thought: A decent percentage of the "deep catalog" masters you'll see coming out on Blu-ray without any new transfers being made are going to likely be pulled from HDCAM tapes. Newer HDCAM SR tech is full bore 1920x1080p with either 4:2:2 chroma subsampling, or 4:4:4 RGB color (ie: "deeper color" than Blu-ray even supports). HDCAM, however, was 1440x1080p with 3:1:1 chroma compression, which means the color resolution is worse than Blu-ray's current implementation. Is a Blu-ray pulled from an old HDCAM master an "upscale", despite the format technically delivering 1080 vertical lines of resolution?


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So then, you know this is an upscale.
Frustrates me as it does to say this, it's not an upscale. It's just a crumby Universal catalog master that looks roughly equal to a proper SD master. Just like RE-ANIMATOR, it's a 1080p master with such heavy digital processing that any high-frequency resolution isn't really visible anymore. I can't wait for that new German 4K restoration to finally put to rest that cheap 30 year old movies can't look better, because there's no reason a studio-backed Don frickin' Coscarelli film shouldn't look at least as good as MY BLOODY VALENTINE, NIGHT OF THE CREEPS, ALIEN 2: ON EARTH, HALLOWEEN 5, or another half-dozen lower-budget genre BDs we've seen.

Is the PHANTASM II transfer good? Hell no. Is it probably a legit, if low quality, HD source? For better or worse, yes, even if the real-world improvement over an old PAL Digibeta is basically negligible.
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If we're talking about scripted films and TV shows, most of those 720p broadcasts are down-conversions of 1080p masters. All the hardware involved in a modern workflow can handle 1080p, minimum, so all the 720p/1080i masters broadcasters get are conversions from a higher quality HD source.

If a Blu-ray were made from a 720p HDTV master, than yes, that would be an upscale. Still an HD source, but not the promised 1080 lines of vertical resolution.

Here's some food for thought: A decent percentage of the "deep catalog" masters you'll see coming out on Blu-ray without any new transfers being made are going to likely be pulled from HDCAM tapes. Newer HDCAM SR tech is full bore 1920x1080p with either 4:2:2 chroma subsampling, or 4:4:4 RGB color (ie: "deeper color" than Blu-ray even supports). HDCAM, however, was 1440x1080p with 3:1:1 chroma compression, which means the color resolution is worse than Blu-ray's current implementation. Is a Blu-ray pulled from an old HDCAM master an "upscale", despite the format technically delivering 1080 vertical lines of resolution?




Frustrates me as it does to say this, it's not an upscale. It's just a crumby Universal catalog master that looks roughly equal to a proper SD master. Just like RE-ANIMATOR, it's a 1080p master with such heavy digital processing that any high-frequency resolution isn't really visible anymore. I can't wait for that new German 4K restoration to finally put to rest that cheap 30 year old movies can't look better, because there's no reason a studio-backed Don frickin' Coscarelli film shouldn't look at least as good as MY BLOODY VALENTINE, NIGHT OF THE CREEPS, ALIEN 2: ON EARTH, HALLOWEEN 5, or another half-dozen lower-budget genre BDs we've seen.

Is the PHANTASM II transfer good? Hell no. Is it probably a legit, if low quality, HD source? For better or worse, yes, even if the real-world improvement over an old PAL Digibeta is basically negligible.
I don't know if any of that is true as it relates to Phantasm II or not, but that was a damn fine post. Very interesting and well written. Thanks for that!
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Here's some food for thought: A decent percentage of the "deep catalog" masters you'll see coming out on Blu-ray without any new transfers being made are going to likely be pulled from HDCAM tapes. Newer HDCAM SR tech is full bore 1920x1080p with either 4:2:2 chroma subsampling, or 4:4:4 RGB color (ie: "deeper color" than Blu-ray even supports). HDCAM, however, was 1440x1080p with 3:1:1 chroma compression, which means the color resolution is worse than Blu-ray's current implementation. Is a Blu-ray pulled from an old HDCAM master an "upscale", despite the format technically delivering 1080 vertical lines of resolution?
I personally consider transfers from HDCAM tapes to be slight upscales on Blu-ray. Many of the exclusive Canadian Blu-rays were likely sourced this way.
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:48 PM   #390
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When are they releasing the first one?
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When are they releasing the first one?
The first one is owned by Anchor Bay so who knows if we'll ever see it on Blu !
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When are they releasing the first one?
Not until Anchor Bay's rights expire (and it has been rumored that they have) and another studio picks it up.
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Ahh okay, I have never seen the any of them and I ordered the 2nd one, will I be able to understand it?
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Ahh okay, I have never seen the any of them and I ordered the 2nd one, will I be able to understand it?
I would watch the first one first.
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Ahh okay, I have never seen the any of them and I ordered the 2nd one, will I be able to understand it?
I would probably try to see the first one somehow before watching the second one.
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I want to own all 4 films so badly. But the only option is DVD (I hate the heavy red tint of the shout release). Anyone know if they will be released on Blu-ray anytime soon? I'd hate to buy the DVDs now and find out a few months later, that the blu-rays are coming.
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I want to own all 4 films so badly. But the only option is DVD (I hate the heavy red tint of the shout release). Anyone know if they will be released on Blu-ray anytime soon? I'd hate to buy the DVDs now and find out a few months later, that the blu-rays are coming.

It's up to Anchor Bay to release the first, 3rd and 4th films as they apparently still have the rights. It also appears that AB will distribute the 5th film - I spotted a new 'Bay logo before the teaser. Hopefully they come to their senses and finally release all 4 films when the 5th one comes out.
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I want to own all 4 films so badly. But the only option is DVD (I hate the heavy red tint of the shout release). Anyone know if they will be released on Blu-ray anytime soon? I'd hate to buy the DVDs now and find out a few months later, that the blu-rays are coming.
According to what I have read, the Anchor Bay 5 DVD Region B box set has the best transfers available of the Phantasm films, as well as some great special features:

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=339

I have all region capability, so I recently went ahead and grabbed a great deal on this seat for $29 USD including shipping. I know we all want blu ray, but I went for this just in case we don't get them for a while:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Phantasm-DVD...rds=phantasm+5
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Too bad the sphere version is now OOP (but still available from third-party sellers).
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Too bad the sphere version is now OOP (but still available from third-party sellers).
That Set is very cool, it is a lot bigger then I thought it would be lol, really a nice Set.
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