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Old 02-05-2016, 05:06 AM   #2441
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Just started grabbing some Disney animated film in BD in the past few weeks. I got Hercules, Tarzan & got a really great deal on a sealed The Lion King (with some slip damage on the side that faces in on the shelf so no big deal). Still need to grab some more of my person favorites but not all of them.
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Old 02-05-2016, 12:22 PM   #2442
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Using your logic, they shouldn't have released Home on the Range, Dinosaur, Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Oliver & Co or any of those DTV sequels to Blu-ray either.

There is absolutely more demand for Black Cauldron than any of the other mediocre Blu-ray films which have found Disney releases, because it has reached a cult status that none of the others ever reached.
If the sales had been there for the DVD versions, they would have released the Blu-ray. They're not just holding it back for no reason.
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Old 02-05-2016, 12:49 PM   #2443
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If the sales had been there for the DVD versions, they would have released the Blu-ray. They're not just holding it back for no reason.
And I'm sure the DVD sales on Home on the Range and Kronk's New Groove were phenomenal...
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Old 02-05-2016, 01:28 PM   #2444
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And I'm sure the DVD sales on Home on the Range and Kronk's New Groove were phenomenal...
Well Kronk's New Groove wouldn't matter, since it was paired with the original.
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Old 02-05-2016, 01:54 PM   #2445
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Well Kronk's New Groove wouldn't matter, since it was paired with the original.
But they didn't NEED to include it... It's not like the inclusion of Kronk's New Groove would encourage people to buy the first one... They could have sold it individually, and not given release to the sequel like Tarzan and Hercules...

Anyway, it's beyond the point. We know for a fact at some point there was plans for this - and there may still be - but for some reason unbeknownst to anyone it's either been cancelled or temporarily halted.
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Old 02-05-2016, 02:01 PM   #2446
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Using your logic, they shouldn't have released Home on the Range, Dinosaur, Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Oliver & Co or any of those DTV sequels to Blu-ray either.

There is absolutely more demand for Black Cauldron than any of the other mediocre Blu-ray films which have found Disney releases, because it has reached a cult status that none of the others ever reached.
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And I'm sure the DVD sales on Home on the Range and Kronk's New Groove were phenomenal...
I like how you cherry picked part of my post to make a nonsensical argument without any evidence because the only movies that did poorly but came close to breaking even on your "list" where treasure planet and home on the range. There might be a niche market for it like other movies Disney will never release but that doesn't make it a good decision for their current business model , but again like i said in my prior post its not getting a release because "monies" its never getting released because it almost killed Disney animation.
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Old 02-05-2016, 03:46 PM   #2447
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Home on the Range arguably did just as much damage as The Black Cauldron. Regardless of BC being a black sheep, A Goofy Movie should have been released long before now. It's a beloved classic with an awesome soundtrack and it spawned a sequel. I remember there was a time when you couldn't go into KB Toys without hearing I2I over the in-store radio.
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Old 02-05-2016, 04:13 PM   #2448
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Home on the Range arguably did just as much damage as The Black Cauldron.
Not really. By the time Home on the Range was released, the writing was on the wall for traditional animation and Disney Animation was working on CG features for the indefinite future.

The layoffs in Burbank already occurred, the Florida studio (which was the primary studio that worked on Mulan, Lilo & Stitch, and Brother Bear) was already being closed down after canceling My Peoples (which was supposed to be a hybrid traditional/CG film).

Home on the Range was released with very low expectations, and Chicken Little was supposed to be the next generation of Disney animation films. Thankfully, Chicken Little proved that mediocre stories, not traditional animation, were nearly killing Disney animation.

In contrast, The Black Cauldron's release occurred when Eisner-Wells-Katzenberg took over and were figuring out what to do with the animation studio. And the film did not help them have faith in the animation studio's future. Thankfully Roy Disney was determined to keep the heart of his father and uncle's studio alive and well. And the new generation of animators and storytellers stepped up to continue the legacy.
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Not really. By the time Home on the Range was released, the writing was on the wall for traditional animation and Disney Animation was working on CG features for the indefinite future.

The layoffs in Burbank already occurred, the Florida studio (which was the primary studio that worked on Mulan, Lilo & Stitch, and Brother Bear) was already being closed down after canceling My Peoples (which was supposed to be a hybrid traditional/CG film).

Home on the Range was released with very low expectations, and Chicken Little was supposed to be the next generation of Disney animation films. Thankfully, Chicken Little proved that mediocre stories, not traditional animation, were nearly killing Disney animation.

In contrast, The Black Cauldron's release occurred when Eisner-Wells-Katzenberg took over and were figuring out what to do with the animation studio. And the film did not help them have faith in the animation studio's future. Thankfully Roy Disney was determined to keep the heart of his father and uncle's studio alive and well. And the new generation of animators and storytellers stepped up to continue the legacy.

Thanks. I was under the impression that Home on the Range alone was what killed the 2D animation division. I didn't realize it was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Old 02-06-2016, 07:22 AM   #2450
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Hoping they'll finally just release Black Cauldron and the last two combo packs to finish it off, but then again I never would have thought they'd have the nerve to not do a Diamond of Pinocchio. It is troubling that they would literally not put the last of their animated titles on bd, considering all the other useless crap Disney forces on us that nobody wants. Some people really like Black Cauldron!
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Old 02-06-2016, 07:34 AM   #2451
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Hoping they'll finally just release Black Cauldron and the last two combo packs to finish it off, but then again I never would have thought they'd have the nerve to not do a Diamond of Pinocchio. It is troubling that they would literally not put the last of their animated titles on bd, considering all the other useless crap Disney forces on us that nobody wants. Some people really like Black Cauldron!
Ive never seen it but id give it a chance on BD. Im tempted to grab a DVD copy just to see what could've been so bad about it. As for Pinocchio it may not have gotten a Diamond edition but itll most likely get a Signature edition.
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Old 02-06-2016, 04:08 PM   #2452
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Ive never seen it but id give it a chance on BD. Im tempted to grab a DVD copy just to see what could've been so bad about it. As for Pinocchio it may not have gotten a Diamond edition but itll most likely get a Signature edition.
It wasn't that bad, but it was not a cutesy Childrens animated musical.

Even the theatrical Ebert gave it 3.5/4, RT score is 55% so borderline Fresh/Rotten. It had great potential and who knows what it would have been had it been allowed to become what it was originally intended
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:28 PM   #2453
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Ive never seen it but id give it a chance on BD. Im tempted to grab a DVD copy just to see what could've been so bad about it. As for Pinocchio it may not have gotten a Diamond edition but itll most likely get a Signature edition.
Trust me when I say that you've probably never seen an animated Disney movie quite like The Black Cauldron.
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Hoping they'll finally just release Black Cauldron and the last two combo packs to finish it off, but then again I never would have thought they'd have the nerve to not do a Diamond of Pinocchio. It is troubling that they would literally not put the last of their animated titles on bd, considering all the other useless crap Disney forces on us that nobody wants. Some people really like Black Cauldron!
Yeah, I'm REALLY, REALLY hoping we get some news of releases for the final five films. It doesn't make sense for Disney to not release them at all. Need be they should just release them as DMC exclusives. I know that would get me to sign up. I'm also hoping a potential Make Mine Music/Melody Time Blu-ray release would spark Disney into doing a digital release for the films too, since they're the only films in the Canon not to be available on Disney Movies Anywhere.
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:05 PM   #2455
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If the sales had been there for the DVD versions, they would have released the Blu-ray. They're not just holding it back for no reason.
When originally released on home video, The Black Cauldron moved 5 million units in a week. It has since seen two releases on DVD. It does well enough to justify a Blu release.

The Disney company is currently having to deal with an embarrassment of riches, with Pixar and Marvel and LucasFilm and their own animated and live action slate. They have to plan accordingly, and carefully, to avoid competing with their own releases. I've seen the new master for The Three Caballeros, and it's a joy and a long time coming. Cauldron is traditionally a Halloween/October title, but with Marvel's slate and Pixar's Finding Dory, we might see it in August.
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When originally released on home video, The Black Cauldron moved 5 million units in a week. It has since seen two releases on DVD. It does well enough to justify a Blu release.

The Disney company is currently having to deal with an embarrassment of riches, with Pixar and Marvel and LucasFilm and their own animated and live action slate. They have to plan accordingly, and carefully, to avoid competing with their own releases. I've seen the new master for The Three Caballeros, and it's a joy and a long time coming. Cauldron is traditionally a Halloween/October title, but with Marvel's slate and Pixar's Finding Dory, we might see it in August.
August might be problematic, as Zootopia (which will be theatrically released early March) could see its BD release anywhere from June to September.
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Any month, of the year, is a good time to release The Black Cauldron on BD!
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:36 PM   #2458
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August might be problematic, as Zootopia (which will be theatrically released early March) could see its BD release anywhere from June to September.
I hear that. Hoping for a Saludos/Caballeros release in late April, early May.
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I still need to see the Black Cauldron in its entirety. It looks good.
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Thanks. I was under the impression that Home on the Range alone was what killed the 2D animation division. I didn't realize it was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.
The camel's back was already broken. Disney had already decided to kill off 2D animation as unprofitable, especially with its aging CAPS infrastructure; Home on the Range merely happened to be the last one in the queue.
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