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Old 04-26-2013, 03:40 PM   #181
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I know a new player, display, and HDMI cable (at least for 48fps and 3D playback) will be required, but what about receivers? Will it be possible for the 4K signal to come from a 4K player, pass through your receiver while still carrying lossless audio, and then still retain the original 4K signal when it reaches the display? I'd prefer not to have to repurchase another receiver.
If the HDMI cable cannot accomodate the data transfer, how could a HDMI connection inside of a receiver or pre/pro be any different?
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If the HDMI cable cannot accomodate the data transfer, how could a HDMI connection inside of a receiver or pre/pro be any different?
This was my thinking, but I did not want to assume.
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Old 04-26-2013, 03:51 PM   #183
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If the HDMI cable cannot accomodate the data transfer, how could a HDMI connection inside of a receiver or pre/pro be any different?
I just bought a Yamaha RX-A720 last year. It says in the specs that it can do 4k pass through. Not sure if its just a marketing gimmick, but I hope it's future proofed when 4k blu's become available.
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Old 04-26-2013, 05:44 PM   #184
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I think it will go down exactly like Superbit.
I was thinking the exact same thing to myself...

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Exact same concept… Higher bitrate, but little to no actual quality increase since you’re still limited to the same resolution in the final product.

Superbit came out as a cash-grab just as HD TVs were starting to hit the market & now they’re doing it again right before 4K TVs hit.

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Old 04-26-2013, 06:36 PM   #185
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I just bought a Yamaha RX-A720 last year. It says in the specs that it can do 4k pass through. Not sure if its just a marketing gimmick, but I hope it's future proofed when 4k blu's become available.
My Onkyo 709 says the same thing, but I am thinking that's just for 4K upconversion rather than a native 4K signal.
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:04 PM   #186
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Sort of. Scanning film or mastering in extremely high resolutions such as 4K is no gimmick, especially if digital restoration is involved. This means a higher film-to-digital accuracy (and better reference level for preserving or future-proofing the film). The higher the quality of the working materials, the better the movie will look - even at compressed sizes such as 1080p. A high-resolution image reduced to a smaller size will always look better than something imaged at that smaller size directly. The reduction can actually help by smoothing over restoration details such as scratch and dust touch-ups which may be more apparent at the native size.

However, using that "4K" number to cloud the issue and trick people into thinking they are buying 4K resolution movies or to upgrade Blu-Rays they literally already own certainly is a nasty little gimmick, and in this you are absolutely correct.
No, not sort of. It is, because it is still in 1080P no matter how much it slightly makes the picture look better, when its still only 'Mastered in 4K' and not actually a 4K(2160P) BD. What will have a 4K(2160P) picture will be the BD's that will start coming out within the next 1 to 2 years, that will play up to 4K(2160P)
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Aren't your numbers a little wrong? 4K = 4*1080 = 4320p

2160p would be 2K...
Umm so the reason 2160p is 4 times as much as 1080 is becase A tvs pixel resolution is mesured in vertical lines, so a 16:9 tv is 1920p*1080p and a uhd would be 3840p*2160p, so yes the tv is 4k not 2k. So dont tell people to check there math before you check your own.,

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4K is actually 4096x2160. Just for reference (Wikipedia):

720×480 : D-VHS, DVD, miniDV, Digital8, Digital Betacam
720×480 : Widescreen DVD (anamorphic)
1280×720 : D-VHS, HD DVD, Blu-ray, HDV (miniDV)
1440×1080 : HDV (miniDV)
1920×1080 : HDV (miniDV), AVCHD, HD DVD, Blu-ray, HDCAM SR
1998x1080 : 2K Flat (1.85:1)
2048×1080 : 2K Digital Cinema
4096×2160 : 4K Digital Cinema
7680×4320 : UHDTV
15360x8640 : 16K Digital Cinema

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4K is actually 4096x2160. Just for reference (Wikipedia):

720×480 : D-VHS, DVD, miniDV, Digital8, Digital Betacam
720×480 : Widescreen DVD (anamorphic)
1280×720 : D-VHS, HD DVD, Blu-ray, HDV (miniDV)
1440×1080 : HDV (miniDV)
1920×1080 : HDV (miniDV), AVCHD, HD DVD, Blu-ray, HDCAM SR
1998x1080 : 2K Flat (1.85:1)
2048×1080 : 2K Digital Cinema
4096×2160 : 4K Digital Cinema
7680×4320 : UHDTV
15360x8640 : 16K Digital Cinema
That list should have D-VHS on 1920x1080 also...
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4K is actually 4096x2160. Just for reference (Wikipedia):

720×480 : D-VHS, DVD, miniDV, Digital8, Digital Betacam
720×480 : Widescreen DVD (anamorphic)
1280×720 : D-VHS, HD DVD, Blu-ray, HDV (miniDV)
1440×1080 : HDV (miniDV)
1920×1080 : HDV (miniDV), AVCHD, HD DVD, Blu-ray, HDCAM SR
1998x1080 : 2K Flat (1.85:1)
2048×1080 : 2K Digital Cinema
4096×2160 : 4K Digital Cinema
7680×4320 : UHDTV
15360x8640 : 16K Digital Cinema
What does UHDTV refer to? If it's the 4K TVs that are on the market, then I don't understand those numbers.
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What does UHDTV refer to? If it's the 4K TVs that are on the market, then I don't understand those numbers.
Ultra HDTV which is 3840x2160p. Digital Cinema uses 4096x2160.
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Ultra HDTV witch is 3840x2160p. Digital Cinema uses 4096x2160.
I see. But that chart says UHDTV is 7680 x 4320.
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That's 8K.
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I see. But that chart says UHDTV is 7680 x 4320.
Ultra HD includes both 4K (3840x2160 or 4096x2160) and 8K (8192x4320 or 7680x4320).

4K is four times the resolution of 1080p (doubling both horizontal and vertical resolution).
8K is sixteen times the resolution of 1080p (quadrupling both horizontal and vertical resolution).
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Old 02-15-2014, 01:21 AM   #195
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Ultra HD includes both 4K (3840x2160 or 4096x2160) and 8K (8192x4320 or 7680x4320).
Okay, thanks. I understand now.
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