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Old 01-27-2016, 05:42 PM   #641
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Goldsmith's score is easily - easily - superior to the Tangerine Dream score in so far as it fits the movie seamlessly, enhances the drama/characters, adds a feeling of scope that the movie lacks and just generally sells the experience. Plus is amazing music, one of the composer's very best. One of his own favourites too. Ridley Scott agreed, and favoured it for his director's cut, but sadly didn't defend it when Universal wanted it replaced.

Tangerine Dream's just sits there, rather uncomfortably. It's not very good. It isn't even in the top 5 TD scores IMHO. The waltz is particularly uncomfortable - since the dance was originally choreographed to the Goldsmith cue (recorded pre-filming).

I understand that those who grew up with the TD score may be more accustomed to it, and may genuinely prefer it, but the romantic/fantasy/orchestral approach was correct for this movie.
I saw the film for the first time last year, and watched both versions back to back. I preferred the TD score in a big way, the Goldsmith one seemed over-done somehow. I am not a synth fanatic by any stretch of the imagination, either, I definitely worship at the altar of John Williams/John Barry and like some of Goldsmith's other scores (he is one of my least-favorite of the big composers, though), but it just seemed like too much here. The dance scene in particular seemed way too busy, the music was actively distracting from what went on. Now, I WAS listening to the music closely because I'd read beforehand that this was one of the great lost scores of all time or something, so it might have been less annoying if I hadn't been focusing attention on it and didn't have raised expectations, but it really didn't seem like anything special to me. When it comes to 80s orchestral fantasy scores, give me Conan the Barbarian or Dragonslayer or even frickin Willow or The Dark Crystal any day!
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Old 01-27-2016, 05:47 PM   #642
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I like both versions of the film. The US cut though severely cutting the plot/backstory down does have a somewhat hypnotic mid-80's music video quality to it, which I'd attribute to the Tangerine Dream score.

The longer version has a great traditional Goldsmith orchestral score and helps make the plot a little more easier to follow. I think this is one film that has multiple cuts that I actually would watch both of the cuts. When it comes to something like Blade Runner I just want to watch the Final Cut, and with the Star Wars OT....just gotta drag out my 20 year old VHS tapes out.
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Old 01-27-2016, 05:49 PM   #643
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I mostly thought the director's cut was better apart from the score, but I like that gruesome opening on the theatrical cut.
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Old 01-27-2016, 05:53 PM   #644
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I saw the film for the first time last year, and watched both versions back to back. I preferred the TD score in a big way, the Goldsmith one seemed over-done somehow. I am not a synth fanatic by any stretch of the imagination, either, I definitely worship at the altar of John Williams/John Barry and like some of Goldsmith's other scores (he is one of my least-favorite of the big composers, though), but it just seemed like too much here. The dance scene in particular seemed way too busy, the music was actively distracting from what went on. Now, I WAS listening to the music closely because I'd read beforehand that this was one of the great lost scores of all time or something, so it might have been less annoying if I hadn't been focusing attention on it and didn't have raised expectations, but it really didn't seem like anything special to me. When it comes to 80s orchestral fantasy scores, give me Conan the Barbarian or Dragonslayer or even frickin Willow or The Dark Crystal any day!
don't forget Laurence Rosenthal's soundtrack to 'Clash of the Titans' (1981)

Trevor Jones' 'Dark Crystal' score is just epic - I played the vinyl to death.

Speaking of which was the alternate score by Vangelis for 'The Dark Crystal' cinematic legend or did he actually compose all (or some) of it?
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I dunno, I've never really looked at any behind-the-scenes stuff about The Dark Crystal before apart from all the Brian Froud conceptual art. I never heard anything about the score.

Clash of the Titans does have a pretty good one, I forgot about that. It's been a longggg time since I watched that one.
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I dunno, I've never really looked at any behind-the-scenes stuff about The Dark Crystal before apart from all the Brian Froud conceptual art. I never heard anything about the score.

Clash of the Titans does have a pretty good one, I forgot about that.
It's been a longggg time since I watched that one.
I have that soundtrack on vinyl and it is indeed awesome.
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Old 01-27-2016, 08:42 PM   #647
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I have that soundtrack on vinyl and it is indeed awesome.
Yep, the Titans soundtrack definitely elevates the film to a whole other level.
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Old 01-27-2016, 11:53 PM   #648
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I would happily exchange all of those boring Hans Zimmer derivatives for more rockin' electronic scores.
Can we apply this to all modern movies please? lol.
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Old 01-28-2016, 12:40 AM   #649
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The Tangerine Dream soundtrack is great, but it doesn't fit the movie at all. Goldsmith's score is far superior.
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Does the Zavvi steelbook contain HD audio for both cuts of the film? I've read the original UK copy had only DD 5.1 for the director's cut, but wasn't sure about the steelbook. I specifically want the director's cut with DTS-MA 5.1 like the the US copy. I also assume the PQ is slightly better than the US version with a better encode correct?

I already have the US version, but I really like the design of the steelbook (I might be in the minority) and just wanted to know if there's anything missing in it.
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Old 12-27-2016, 12:23 AM   #651
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What's the best version of the movie? There are like 3 cuts. The US theatrical version (90 min) which is probably the darkest and it has the great, but to many, unfitting Tangerine Dream score. Then there is the European Theatrical Cut (94 min) which has the Jerry Goldsmith score and is of course edited differentely from the US version. Then we have the Director's Cut (114 min) with the Goldsmith score, which I guess it probably just a big extension from the European Theatrical Cut, right?
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What's the best version of the movie? There are like 3 cuts. The US theatrical version (90 min) which is probably the darkest and it has the great, but to many, unfitting Tangerine Dream score. Then there is the European Theatrical Cut (94 min) which has the Jerry Goldsmith score and is of course edited differentely from the US version. Then we have the Director's Cut (114 min) with the Goldsmith score, which I guess it probably just a big extension from the European Theatrical Cut, right?

As I understand it, the Director's Cut is Scott's first completed version of the film, which didn't test well. Subsequent trims were made--resulting in the alternate cuts seen in different territories--and Goldsmith's score was replaced for the North American market. Scott has suggested it's the truest version of his original vision of LEGEND. It's my favorite cut because it has time to breathe, feels more organic, which gives the narrative a little more heft.

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What's the best version of the movie? There are like 3 cuts. The US theatrical version (90 min) which is probably the darkest and it has the great, but to many, unfitting Tangerine Dream score. Then there is the European Theatrical Cut (94 min) which has the Jerry Goldsmith score and is of course edited differentely from the US version. Then we have the Director's Cut (114 min) with the Goldsmith score, which I guess it probably just a big extension from the European Theatrical Cut, right?
I like the US theatrical cut and director's cut. I watch both periodically. I think they are both worth having. I have never seen the European cut, but really have no desire to.
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As I understand it, the Director's Cut is Scott's first completed version of the film, which didn't test well. Subsequent trims were made--resulting in the alternate cuts seen in different territories--and Goldsmith's score was replaced for the North American market. Scott has suggested it's the truest version of his original vision of LEGEND. It's my favorite cut because it has time to breathe, feels more organic, which gives the narrative a little more heft.
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What's the best version of the movie? There are like 3 cuts. The US theatrical version (90 min) which is probably the darkest and it has the great, but to many, unfitting Tangerine Dream score. Then there is the European Theatrical Cut (94 min) which has the Jerry Goldsmith score and is of course edited differentely from the US version. Then we have the Director's Cut (114 min) with the Goldsmith score, which I guess it probably just a big extension from the European Theatrical Cut, right?
The included director's cut isn't a true director's cut. The original directors cut was a bit longer, and this was a cut down version of that. It's one drawback is the glaring omission of the scene near the end bringing a particular character back to life, which is on the short US cut and is kind of integral to understanding the last few shots.
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Which is the best bluray to purchase? US Amazon has one for $8 that says it includes the director's and "theatrical versions" (I assume it means both US and Euro versions). But is there a better release from another country/region to get?

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I prefer the US theatrical, mainly for the score which I love.

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Which is the best bluray to purchase? US Amazon has one for $8 that says it includes the director's and "theatrical versions" (I assume it means both US and Euro versions). But is there a better release from another country/region to get?

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I'm honestly not sure the US version has the European theatrical cut. I thought it just had the US cut and director's cut. I could be wrong though. I've never read about a better version overseas, but we have a thread to check just that question.
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Which is the best bluray to purchase? US Amazon has one for $8 that says it includes the director's and "theatrical versions" (I assume it means both US and Euro versions). But is there a better release from another country/region to get?

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The UK disc has the European theatrical cut and the Director's Cut, whereas the US disc has the American theatrical cut and the Director's Cut. Maybe there's an edition out there which has all three together but failing that, do what I did and purchase those two.
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Thanks for all your replies. I just ended up buying all 3 versions lol
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I just had to replace my U.S. disc folks. I tried to back up both cuts and all I could do was the theatrical cut. I tried the director's cut three times and got bad sector errors all over the place.
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