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Old 04-21-2014, 07:09 PM   #161
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this movie sucked. i wanted to walk out. im all for movies where 'nothing happens,' but damn...this movie took it to another level.
Under the Skin appeals to my specific cinematic mindset.

For instance, my favorite part of Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver is the closing credits sequence showing nighttime city streets while jazz music plays. I could easily watch this final sequence for hours. "Nothing happens" during this scene, but I'm still mesmerized.

For those who still haven't seen Under the Skin, my guess is that you'll probably enjoy the movie if you like watching the closing credits of Taxi Driver.

Under the Skin is also comparable to Jean-Pierre Melville's Le Samouraļ in quite a few ways, only one of which is the pacing.

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Old 04-21-2014, 07:28 PM   #162
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I watched this movie last night and I thought Scarlett was fantastic but overall the movie was very slow and boring to me. Yes the scenery was beautiful and there was some really creepy and interesting imagery but it didn't really intrigue me that much. The movie does kind of stay with you after the credits roll, I was very impressed by the ending and the "reveal". Other than that though, I almost nodded off during the movie and I just kept asking myself when it was going to end and what kind of conclusion we were going to get. I would give this movie a C+. I felt like there could be so much potential but it was trying too hard to be artsy.
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I watched this movie last night and I thought Scarlett was fantastic but overall the movie was very slow and boring to me. Yes the scenery was beautiful and there was some really creepy and interesting imagery but it didn't really intrigue me that much. The movie does kind of stay with you after the credits roll, I was very impressed by the ending and the "reveal". Other than that though, I almost nodded off during the movie and I just kept asking myself when it was going to end and what kind of conclusion we were going to get. I would give this movie a C+. I felt like there could be so much potential but it was trying too hard to be artsy.
Wait a minute, is the entire movie her luring people into the vehicle? Or does the narrative change?
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Wait a minute, is the entire movie her luring people into the vehicle? Or does the narrative change?
The entire movie does not consist of her luring people into her van. The trailer should have made that clear.
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:06 PM   #165
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I would give this movie a C+. I felt like there could be so much potential but it was trying too hard to be artsy.
I don't know...this just means you wish the story could have been told in a "different" way. I think the film works beautifully myself. It had an overall creepy feeling to it that i enjoyed and I think you can very well piece together a semblance of a story from the various scenes and yet the films retains a mystery to it that I like to ponder over...which is why I wonder how anybody can say that nothing happens in the film.

An example of a "slow" scene but yet it plays along a theme of the film:
[Show spoiler]The restaurant scene with cake seemed like it took an awfully long time to unfold but her reaction was not at all what I expected and was quite shocked by it. I suppose you can say that "appearances can be deceiving" and wasn't that one of the themes? A sexy girl deceiving lonely men to their doom. The kindly-seeming forester turning out to be a molester. A previous poster was wondering about retribution for the forester yet was feeling sympathy for the girl who did much evil too... It's things like this which I enjoy thinking about afterwards...
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An example of a "slow" scene but yet it plays along a theme of the film:
[Show spoiler]The restaurant scene with cake seemed like it took an awfully long time to unfold but her reaction was not at all what I expected and was quite shocked by it. I suppose you can say that "appearances can be deceiving" and wasn't that one of the themes? A sexy girl deceiving lonely men to their doom. The kindly-seeming forester turning out to be a molester. A previous poster was wondering about retribution for the forester yet was feeling sympathy for the girl who did much evil too... It's things like this which I enjoy thinking about afterwards...
I'm double-posting my thoughts here from another thread, but this is how I interpret the events in the forest...

[Show spoiler]My guess is that Johansson's character still does not have a grasp on what defines genuine affection. In her mind, she may not see a difference between the advances of the compassionate man who makes love to her in the bed and the advances of the man who attempts to rape her in the forest. These two scenes are filmed in an equally detached style, although the situations are vastly different in context in our eyes. Perhaps, from her viewpoint as an outsider, both men are treating her as a commodity in the same way that her victims are apparently mere commodities, but we do not see her acknowledge the ethics of these situations in any clear way. Her real self seems to be looking down on her human visage at the end without visible emotion or understanding.


On a lighter note, related to your above post...

[Show spoiler]The scene with Johansson's character in the restaurant made me crave a slice of cake in a big way. The camera fixates on the slice of cake for several seconds, and then we see the fork slowly cut into the slice.

Of course, what happened next was sort of a buzzkill for my cake craving, but everything leading up to that moment was like the best cake commercial in the world.
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:55 PM   #167
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I've finally seen this and I just loved it. It's tied with Birth for my favorite thing that Glazer has done.

[Show spoiler]I may be the only one who noticed this, but I was tickled that the final shots of this and the final shot of Glazer's video for "Karma Police" are almost identical. This is what you get when you mess with us, the human race tells her.
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[Show spoiler]This is what you get when you mess with us, the human race tells her.
[Show spoiler]It's funny...I sort of get a feeling of sadness yet a sort of serenity at the ending. It's as if the smoke and ashes are returning her from whence she came...and the snowflakes coming down reinforces that feeling. Ashes to ashes...dust to dust... She seemed to have been created from material taken from humans.
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[QUOTE=The Great Owl;9093447]I'm double-posting my thoughts here from another thread, but this is how I interpret the events in the forest...

[Show spoiler]My guess is that Johansson's character still does not have a grasp on what defines genuine affection. In her mind, she may not see a difference between the advances of the compassionate man who makes love to her in the bed and the advances of the man who attempts to rape her in the forest. These two scenes are filmed in an equally detached style, although the situations are vastly different in context in our eyes. Perhaps, from her viewpoint as an outsider, both men are treating her as a commodity in the same way that her victims are apparently mere commodities, but we do not see her acknowledge the ethics of these situations in any clear way. Her real self seems to be looking down on her human visage at the end without visible emotion or understanding.


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I really can't wait to watch this one again, it really needs dissecting again and again.
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[Show spoiler]The scene with Johansson's character in the restaurant made me crave a slice of cake in a big way. The camera fixates on the slice of cake for several seconds, and then we see the fork slowly cut into the slice.

Of course, what happened next was sort of a buzzkill for my cake craving, but everything leading up to that moment was like the best cake commercial in the world.
Oddly enough, I was thinking to myself...
[Show spoiler]"Who knew eating cake could be so erotic?"
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Oddly enough, I was thinking to myself...
[Show spoiler]"Who knew eating cake could be so erotic?"
I was thinking,
[Show spoiler]"Not only did she murder several unsuspecting people and leave an infant abandoned on a beach, but she also wasted a slice of cake."
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The best description of Under the Skin that I've read so far is that the movie looks as though it were not filmed by humans.

I completely agree with that description.

[Show spoiler]The movie allows us to see the world through the eyes of a being that has no apparent emotional context from which to base her experiences. There are many scenes in the movie that appall us viewers, but are probably of no consequence to her. The tragedy of the beach scene early in the film is lost on her as she simply achieves her purpose and leaves. In her eyes, there probably isn't any difference between the man who attempts to make love to her and the man who attempts to rape her, because she had no real contextual experiences with which to compare these events. This might be why the film style remains the same during all of these scenes, although they appear different according to our sensibilities.

Johansson's character and her motorcycle accomplices have the same detached viewpoint towards the humans that they are apparently harvesting that humans might have towards cattle in a slaughterhouse (The novel deals with this in a more heavy-handed way.). The clinical cinematography and the clinical music score accentuate this detachment.

Johansson's character murders unsuspecting people and she abandons an infant on a beach. The film style does not depict these things as being wrong or immoral, though. My guess is that, in her character's eyes, these things simply are what they are. She is seemingly attempting to immerse herself in the human way of life after her encounter with the disfigured man, but she lacks any emotional context that would help her to blend in.


I may be completely off base in my above assessment, but it's fun to kick all of this around inside my head.

My recent reading of the source novel helped me settle into the general vibe of this film, but the novel and the movie are two entirely different entities. I like how the movie follows its own path.

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this movie sucked. i wanted to walk out. im all for movies where 'nothing happens,' but damn...this movie took it to another level.
I'm open to varying personal opinions, and realize that this film will not be to everyone's tastes and sensibilities. I even expect a degree of debate over the film upon its BD release with parroted claims of "overrated" and "pretentious", but to say "nothing happens" is at best an exaggeration...a lot happens.
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The entire movie does not consist of her luring people into her van. The trailer should have made that clear.
[Show spoiler] its a big percentage of the movie. that and the black lake where the victims disappear into.


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The movie does kind of stay with you after the credits roll I almost nodded off during the movie and I just kept asking myself when it was going to end and what kind of conclusion we were going to get. I felt like there could be so much potential but it was trying too hard to be artsy.
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The best description of Under the Skin that I've read so far is that the movie looks as though it were not filmed by humans.
the movie was too dark in some places.
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[Show spoiler] its a big percentage of the movie. that and the black lake where the victims disappear into.
I've seen the film. Much though not all of the first half of the film consists of that and then it goes somewhere else.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised how well the film has been received here, considering it's quite experimental, especially for a film with a big star. It's not for everybody, but it does seem connect with many people and it did stay with me more and for longer than most films I see.

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Saw this today. Mesmerising, terrifying, bold, disturbing, poetic, utterly cinematic; this confirms Jonathan Glazer as the UK's most visionary director and as a natural heir to the great David Lynch.

Some people, of course, are going to have a violently bad reaction to it. The pace is slow, there's little dialogue (and what there is is frequently delivered in harsh Glasweigian accents) and the internal logic is mysterious. If you need every why and how answered, give it a miss. But if you like Lynch, or Von Triers, if you liked THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH (its closest cinematic relative), if you like pure cinema, you're going to flip for this. If it takes me telling you that, yes, you get to see Scarlett Johansson completely naked (several times) to get you to give this a try, so be it. But your erection may well turn to dust when you see it in context: I'm rarely scared in cinemas but one sequence in this film (and its excruciatingly understated sound fx) will stay in my head for all time. Johansson's nakedness isn't ever gratuitous and it may be some small comfort when the internet lights up with the screen grabs, that she provides a riveting centre to an important film.

My only caveat is that, in the last third,after the film's major twist (there aren't many), UNDER THE SKIN becomes a somewhat more conventional narrative, and - for the first time- starts to light on familiar ground; only here does the slow and wordless pace threaten to feel a over-stretched, though it never lost my interest. Luckily, the film ends strongly. Though some may see the end coming, this does little to lessen the disturbance you'll feel on wandering back out into the world. And this is where the ultimate triumph of UNDER THE SKIN can be felt: On your way home, as you look at your fellow human beings with alien eyes.

Film of the year for me, so far.
Well put. I feel pretty much the same way about this film and am going back to the theater in a few days to see it again. Absolutely mesmerizing and equally horrifying.
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I've seen the film. Much though not all of the first half of the film consists of that and then it goes somewhere else.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised how well the film has been received here, considering it's quite experimental, especially for a film with a big star. It's not for everybody, but it does seem connect with many people and it did stay with me more and for longer than most films I see.
I think that is because it is an indie film that is still in the theaters. Most of the people went to see it specifically because of its experimental style. I think we will see more mixed reviews when it hits BD and a larger variety of people see it.
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I hope this gets a Blu-ray release in the US. Amazon has a pre-order up for the DVD, but not the Blu-ray : (
My Blu-ray Wishlist: Carrie (Remastered), Fright Night Part II, April Fool's Day, The Woods, May, Shock Treatment, Ginger Snaps 2&3, The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane, Dolls, The Watcher in the Woods, Welcome to the Dollhouse, Ghost World, Drop Dead Gorgeous, The Addams Family 1&2, The Brady Bunch Movie 1&2, Mommie Dearest, Valley of the Dolls 1&2, The Other Sister, It's Pat: The Movie, Pretty Persuasion, Saved!, Wet Hot American Summer, All John Waters' Films.
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