Once Upon a Time in America (1984)

[(W)KRP]

http://irenebrination.typepad.com/ir...n-america.html

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[georgec]

Bump.

Any news on a North American release?

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by georgec

Bump.

Any news on a North American release?

Warner Brothers blu-rays are region free, so it should play on all blu-ray player across the country.

[Rizor]

It sounds like Warner did a new 4k scan of the 229 min version and the restorers cut in 22 min of very rough looking deleted scenes. The Italian BD sounds like a heavily compressed mess of a disc.

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=898776

https://www.dvdweb.it/View_News/2012...e_peccato.html

[mft39]

DISC INFO:

Disc Title: Once Upon a Time in America
Disc Size: 47.730.279.119 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No
BDInfo: 0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00010.MPLS
Length: 4:10:56.791 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 47.191.475.904 bytes
Total Bitrate: 25,07 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 17010 kbps 1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
LPCM Audio Italian 768 kbps 1.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 16-bit
DTS-HD Master Audio Italian 2402 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2402 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio English 2277 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2277 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics Italian 17,792 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 17,843 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 1,807 kbps

Just got it. Better color and picture wasn't cut like on AVC transfer.

[Plisskenetic]

Is the new extended italian bluray region free?

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Plisskenetic

Is the new extended italian bluray region free?

No, the new Italian disc is Region B LOCKED. See the listing here, or our thread on the Italian release.

[Mooch360]

I was hoping there might be some news about the extended release, I guess not

[pawel86ck]

For me it's very sad, when film like this gets poor BR transfer. BR has 1080p resolution and Warner Bros is using DVD master for BR. As I can see, theres no need for 4K BR's, because these film companies dont even use BR resolution

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich
This comparison tells everything.

Well there is also extended version, on VC-1 encode. That one use proper master (scaned in 4K as it should be for BR) so film has good resolution and theres much more details... but unfortunately someone has decided to give it old appearance. Colors are almost washed out...

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich
This comparison shows much more details on VC-1 (4K scaned) encode, but because they put 4h movie on one BD, compression is very noticable.

So now anyone has to choose, poor resolution (theatrical AVC version), or good resolution (VC-1 version) but with washed out colors and compression artifiacts, not good at all . I have seen both versions and for now I will stick with VC-1 encode (it has good resolution), but I would like to see proper BR edidtion in the future

[Geoff D]

I bought the Italian one a couple of days ago. It does indeed have much finer detail, but the compression is awful and it's got a very flat, washed-out appearance. Not just the colour - which I accept may be intentional, to give it a sort of sepia-toned feel - but also the blacks, which are very thin indeed. The newly added scenes look even worse, with very little in the way of tonalities or detail, however that was to be expected given that they've come from less than optimal sources.

Still, my TV has a processing mode called reality creation, which does an outstanding job at filtering high-frequency noise while retaining detail, and it works brilliantly with the compression artefacts in this case.

[The Great Owl]

For what it's worth, I thoroughly enjoyed revisiting Once Upon a Time in America by way of the Blu-ray a few weeks ago. The picture quality is not consistent, because several scenes look stellar, while others look almost like standard definition quality. None of the scenes are unwatchable, though, and the film content alone makes this a good value for the price.

[pawel86ck]

I bought the Italian one a couple of days ago. It does indeed have much finer detail, but the compression is awful and it's got a very flat, washed-out appearance. Not just the colour - which I accept may be intentional, to give it a sort of sepia-toned feel - but also the blacks, which are very thin indeed. The newly added scenes look even worse, with very little in the way of tonalities or detail, however that was to be expected given that they've come from less than optimal sources.

Colors/contrast corrections gives tottaly different look to this film now, sometimes it looks nice (almost artistic), but even so I would prefer orignal colors .

Compression isnt good in VC-1 BR, but it's acceptable after proper tv setup. Because this BR use 4K scan, entire picture is very sharp without any additional sharpness. Now, almost everyone prefer to use additional sharpness on their tv to some extend, but something like that would make already sharp picture very noisy (compression artifacts will be 10x times more visible).

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by pawel86ck

Well there is also extended version, on VC-1 encode. That one use proper master (scaned in 4K as it should be for BR) so film has good resolution and theres much more details... but unfortunately someone has decided to give it old appearance. Colors are almost washed out...

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich
This comparison shows much more details on VC-1 (4K scaned) encode, but because they put 4h movie on one BD, compression is very noticable.

So now anyone has to choose, poor resolution (theatrical AVC version), or good resolution (VC-1 version) but with washed out colors and compression artifiacts, not good at all . I have seen both versions and for now I will stick with VC-1 encode (it has good resolution), but I would like to see proper BR edidtion in the future

Whenever I watch my blu-rays, I do not meticulously dissect the video quality and observe every microscopic detail frame by frame, scene by scene and chapter by chapter to the extreme, that you can't enjoy the movie period. Regardless if the blu-ray is VC-1, MPEG, ABC, DEFG, etc, as long as the movie looks good, that's all that matters. I don't have the time to pinpoint, and evaluate the quality of each and every blu-ray that I am anticipating to watch. I just put the disc in the player, sit down and enjoy the movie. Generally, I can't tell the difference between a VC-1, and a MPEG picture, as in night and day. I truly believe, the difference to the majority of the viewers is psychological. To me, 1080p is 1080p!

[pawel86ck]

Whenever I watch my blu-rays, I do not meticulously dissect the video quality and observe every microscopic detail frame by frame, scene by scene and chapter by chapter to the extreme, that you can't enjoy the movie period. Regardless if the blu-ray is VCJ-1, MPEG, ABC, DEFG, etc, as long as the movie looks good, that's all that matters. I don't have the time to pinpoint, and evaluate the quality of each and every blu-ray that I am anticipating to watch. I just put the disc in the player, sit down and enjoy the movie.

Well, many people buy BR's because they want to see best possible picture quality. If I would think otherwise, I would be perfectly fine with DVD or stream quality,

To me, 1080p is 1080p!

Many BR's use SD masters, so picture is just resized to 1080p later on. Well technically speaking it will be 1080p picture, but it will still has 576p SD clarity and details.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich
both images are 1080p, but 2'nd picture is much sharper, anyone with good eyesight should see this difference without problems.

[Eny-]

Originally Posted by pawel86ck

Well, many people buy BR's because they want to see best possible picture quality. If I would think otherwise, I would be perfectly fine with DVD or stream quality,


Many BR's use SD masters, so picture is just resized to 1080p later on. Well technically speaking it will be 1080p picture, but it will still has 576p SD clarity and details.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich
both images are 1080p, but 2'nd picture is much sharper, anyone with good eyesight should see this difference without problems.

There is no such thing as a "SD master" just old transfers that since they were used for DVD never had the proper treatment for 1080p.

[pawel86ck]

here is no such thing as a "SD master" just old transfers that since they were used for DVD never had the proper treatment for 1080p

By SD master, I mean cheap and old transfers that lack resolution. BR's looks the best if they are wet gate scanned using 4K mastering, resolution and detail will look much better. Just look at this comparison images
http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich
Both BR's are encoded in 1080p resolution, but it looks like DVD vs HD comparison.

http://www.darkrealmfox.com/film_rev...ality-control/
Here's great article about that.

[HeavyHitter]

Is it true the Italian version colors are completely screwed up? I thought the U.S. version had the correct color (despite softer/older transfer).

[pawel86ck]

Is it true the Italian version colors are completely screwed up? I thought the U.S. version had the correct color (despite softer/older transfer).

It's true

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich
Colors are washed out as you can see

[klauswhereareyou]

If we all have enough patience to sit through a movie where a phone is ringing for the first hour of the film, we'll just have to be patient and wait for a better release.

[TheScarecrowBB]

WHy is this film OOS at Best Buy and Amazon?