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Old 01-05-2014, 06:40 AM   #801
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So after skimming through all 40 pages of this thread, can I still come to the same conclusion about this movie that I came to when I saw the first trailer? Which was that this is basically "Kids" part 6?

Part 1: Kids (1995)
Part 2: Bully (2001)
Part 3: The Hillz (2004)
Part 4: Havoc (2005)
Part 5: Alpha Dog (2007)

Also, if anyone could explain to me why I hate these movies with a passion, but take the same plots and find me their 80's counterparts (hopefully starring someone from the Brat Pack) and I can't get enough of it, that would be great
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So after skimming through all 40 pages of this thread, can I still come to the same conclusion about this movie that I came to when I saw the first trailer? Which was that this is basically "Kids" part 6?

Part 1: Kids (1995)
Part 2: Bully (2001)
Part 3: The Hillz (2004)
Part 4: Havoc (2005)
Part 5: Alpha Dog (2007)

Also, if anyone could explain to me why I hate these movies with a passion, but take the same plots and find me their 80's counterparts (hopefully starring someone from the Brat Pack) and I can't get enough of it, that would be great
Because the 80's versions of them would've been watered down comedies where noone suffered the consequences of their actions, but instead learnt a very valuable and important life lesson while the latest Wham single played in the background

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From what I've seen and read, film buffs mostly liked this (it's in many users' top ten of the year so far on the Criterion forum). It's really an impressionistic art film about the emptiness and aimlessness of today's youth. I wouldn't expect a typical moviegoer who watches mostly blockbusters to really get into it. I would recommend it to the type of person who collects films released by Criterion and likes to really think about and discuss what they see rather than the average viewer who just wants to be entertained.

What gets me is that most of the people who hate this movie simply say it sucks, or they call it a "crap fest," or what have you. They don't explain why they feel that way, or if they do, it comes down to a lack of plot. Not every film need be plot-driven -- it's one of the things that makes cinema cinema. However, this type of film obviously won't appeal to everybody.
I love reading comments like this, it's like these people were born 10 minutes ago. Ah the terrible 'youth of today, so sad, what a waste, what the hell have we become....'.

Spring Break started in the 1930's and has always been the same, drugs, booze and teenagers acting like idiots. They seem to forget the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's and the whole drug and sexual revolutions ever happened. You can go to clubs and bars these days and there are 30, 40 and 50 year olds still doing exactly the same thing, only they aren't half naked because they are in a different setting.

There has always been gun toting drug dealers. Though it seems if they are 'Italian', have families and dress in nice suits they are far more admirable and respectable members of society than poor black kids covered in tattoo's, who incidentally are usually supplied their drugs by the same people in the nice suits.

There have always been mass murders and murderers, in fact the 60's, 70's and 80's had far more of them than there are today no matter how school/shopping mall shootings there are. Different weapons, same old psychopaths.

Rose coloured glasses much......

For me the film was less about Spring Break, drugs, alcohol and the girls (it'd be interesting also if the film had of been about young males if it would be viewed with the same distain but certain people) as it was about youngsters in a particularly vulnerable state (well 2 of them) being tracked down, 'chosen' and manipulated by a dangerous and manipulative ADULT psychopath and how each of them reacted to the threat to themselves.

One paid attention to her instincts (the one with any sort of moral guidance and self respect) and left. The brain dead sycophant who did anything her friends told her to continued drinking and talking drugs until she finally got caught in the crossfire and paid the price. And the 2 who obviously had the same psychopathic tendencies as Franco's character followed him further down the rabbit hole and then took control of it.

It's not a reflection of todays 'youth', people of any age can be conned by someone in whatever setting they are in if they don't have their wits about them and bad people will always be and remain just that, bad people. Also the fact that we find out in the last 5 minutes that neither of the girls parents even knew they had left school says a lot more about the ADULTS and parents of today than it does about the children.

As for the repetition in the editing etc, I take it none of it's detractors have ever spent 5 minutes with a drunk or drugged up person when they are completely sober and noticed the tendency they have of repeating the same thing over and over again to the point you want to break their face. Nor have they it seems ever suffered the fragmented thoughts of a REALLY bad hangover and wondering just what the **** they did last night. I thought the film captured that perfectly and gave you an insight into the frame of mind the characters were in while the world spiraled out of control around them.

It wasn't pretentious in the slightest, it was intelligent, creative film making (and advertising) that held a great big mirror up to the people who need to see it the most. Most of them didn't seem to like seeing themselves that way however, funny that.

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TLDR version: the debauchery was always there, but the media didn't present it the way it's glorified nowadays.

Alternate TLDR: Same $h!t, different music.
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Awesome post, Impossible.
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:29 PM   #806
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For $9.99 I'll blind buy it, if I don't like it then ehh to my pile for eBay sales it goes...so it's no loss for me lol.
I would've highly suggested a rental first. This movie was horrible.
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Watched it for the third time tonight, still a great moving picture.
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Picked this up on blu. Almost called it quits after about 20 minutes. Soooo slow, and a bit rubbish, but then James Franco appears and the movie got awesome. Loved the Britney Spears piano part.
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wow didn't get a slip.
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Watched for the first time the other day. I thought it was a great sattire/social commentary. Did not care for the end too much though.
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wow didn't get a slip.
Well it came out in July of last year, so that's no surprising.
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So after skimming through all 40 pages of this thread, can I still come to the same conclusion about this movie that I came to when I saw the first trailer? Which was that this is basically "Kids" part 6?

Part 1: Kids (1995)
Part 2: Bully (2001)
Part 3: The Hillz (2004)
Part 4: Havoc (2005)
Part 5: Alpha Dog (2007)

Also, if anyone could explain to me why I hate these movies with a passion, but take the same plots and find me their 80's counterparts (hopefully starring someone from the Brat Pack) and I can't get enough of it, that would be great
The whole conversation from the Breakfast Club with Principal Vernon and Janitorial Scientist Carl comes to mind
Its like how when I was a child I always liked watching the Problem Child movies and thought how Junior was so cool defying adults and performing all these pranks on them but now as an adult I cringe and think of Junior as nothing but cruel and evil and surprised nobody was maimed or killed. We have changed.

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Well it came out in July of last year, so that's no surprising.
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Well it came out in July of last year, so that's no surprising.
got Black Swan early this year with a slip so it seems to be really far fetched huh?

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The whole conversation from the Breakfast Club with Principal Vernon and Janitorial Scientist Carl comes to mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3E3lyICqHEIts like how when I was a child I always liked watching the Problem Child movies and thought how Junior was so cool defying adults and performing all these pranks on them but now as an adult I cringe and think of Junior as nothing but cruel and evil and surprised nobody was maimed or killed. We have changed.
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Well it came out in July of last year, so that's no surprising.
My best buy still has slips. I got mine at Walmart for 17$ on release day.
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Just means you've lost touch with your inner child!
Meh, I disagree. I associate childhood with being naive, not being rebellious.
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This movie proves why I don't listen to critics or other peoples opinion.

It's like all they saw was naked girls, drugs, and guns and never tried actually watching the movie. I liked every part of it. I loved seeing James Franco in that character. Will be watching this again definitely.
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This movie proves why I don't listen to critics or other peoples opinion.

It's like all they saw was naked girls, drugs, and guns and never tried actually watching the movie. I liked every part of it. I loved seeing James Franco in that character. Will be watching this again definitely.
I don't listen to critics either, but I can't completely agree with you on Spring Breakers. If anything, the ending to the movie was atrocious in my opinion.
[Show spoiler]After everything, including a fairly big build up to the scene, James Franco's character gets shot and killed within the first five seconds of them rushing the house? Also, having the girls turn into killing machines and kill everyone was hilarious in a bad way.


I'm not saying you're wrong. We just have a major difference of opinion about a crucial part of the movie. James Franco was far and away the best thing about the movie.
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I don't listen to critics either, but I can't completely agree with you on Spring Breakers. If anything, the ending to the movie was atrocious in my opinion.
[Show spoiler]After everything, including a fairly big build up to the scene, James Franco's character gets shot and killed within the first five seconds of them rushing the house? Also, having the girls turn into killing machines and kill everyone was hilarious in a bad way.


I'm not saying you're wrong. We just have a major difference of opinion about a crucial part of the movie. James Franco was far and away the best thing about the movie.
I feel exactly the same about the film as you. Liked 90% of it and then that ending, ugh.
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