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Old 08-30-2014, 06:43 PM   #7861
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But it looked too much like a Michael Mann movie.
Not sure what your point is, Michael Mann has made some damn fine movies - or were you perhaps speaking of someone else?
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:00 PM   #7862
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I guess you didn't see Dark Knight Rises. Bruce was skinny and you could cut yourself on his cheekbones.



Snyder can't be blamed that his Batman is bigger than Nolan's Bane. He shouldn't have to scale down his Batman just because Nolan tried to pass off a slightly muscular overfed 5' 9" Tom Hardy as Bane. What Nolan put on screen was Bane in name only.
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:34 PM   #7863
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Not sure what your point is, Michael Mann has made some damn fine movies - or were you perhaps speaking of someone else?
I think that he meant that in the process of making things very realistic, it was straying a bit too far from the essence of Batman. Honestly, for all intents and purposes, The Dark Knight is more of a crime drama featuring Batman rather than a Batman film. It's still a great crime drama, but it did lack some of that Batman essence.

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Honestly, for all intents in purposes, The Dark Knight is more of a crime drama featuring Batman rather than a Batman film. It's still a great crime drama, but it did lack some of that Batman essence.
Yes, my thoughts exactly. I much prefer Begins.
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Old 08-30-2014, 07:56 PM   #7865
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I think that he meant that in the process of making things very realistic, it was straying a bit too far from the essence of Batman. Honestly, for all intents in purposes, The Dark Knight is more of a crime drama featuring Batman rather than a Batman film. It's still a great crime drama, but it did lack some of that Batman essence.
I don't know if Batman's comic book "essence" has ever translated into movies (Marvel kicks DC's ass big-time there). Let's forget the Adam West adventures, the TV show and movie both sucked, imho. Strangely enough, I liked the first film of each "trilogy" (and quadrilogy? ) and thought that they both went downhill from there. Batman (1989) was pretty cool, but things, for me, fell off a cliff, especially after Schumacher took over from Burton. Likewise, I thought Batman Begins was a great Batman movie, but, despite the talent and technical expertise, for me, things slowed to a crawl after that (although nothing like the Schumacher debacle). Who can say, maybe I just like origin stories more - at least as far as DC projects go.
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I think that he meant that in the process of making things very realistic, it was straying a bit too far from the essence of Batman. Honestly, for all intents and purposes, The Dark Knight is more of a crime drama featuring Batman rather than a Batman film. It's still a great crime drama, but it did lack some of that Batman essence.
I don't give a crap about comic books, honestly. I like great films. The Dark Knight is a great film. It has crime film elements, superhero elements, revenge film elements, romance elements, horror elements, etc. etc. In the end it's a great film. Was Nolan (in general, not just in his Batman movies) influenced by Michael Mann a great deal? Yes, certainly. That's a good thing, because Mann is amazing.

Many comic book fans can't accept that film is a different medium. Marvel Studios is making comic books on screen as much as possible for that group and people still complain about minor changes. You're never going to please everyone.
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:48 AM   #7867
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I don't give a crap about comic books, honestly. I like great films. The Dark Knight is a great film. It has crime film elements, superhero elements, revenge film elements, romance elements, horror elements, etc. etc. In the end it's a great film. Was Nolan (in general, not just in his Batman movies) influenced by Michael Mann a great deal? Yes, certainly. That's a good thing, because Mann is amazing.

Many comic book fans can't accept that film is a different medium. Marvel Studios is making comic books on screen as much as possible for that group and people still complain about minor changes. You're never going to please everyone.
Whoa, calm down. I said that The Dark Knight was a great film. I only said that it lacked the spirit of Batman. That doesn't diminish the quality of the film though. As someone who doesn't like comic books, it's understandable that you wouldn't understand that particular complaint. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a good example of a great film that still retains the spirit and essence of the character. The same goes for The Avengers.
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Whoa, calm down. I said that The Dark Knight was a great film. I only said that it lacked the spirit of Batman. That doesn't diminish the quality of the film though. As someone who doesn't like comic books, it's understandable that you wouldn't understand that particular complaint. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a good example of a great film that still retains the spirit and essence of the character. The same goes for The Avengers.
I wasn't yelling at you, not sure where the "whoa" comes from.

I disliked The Avengers a great deal. Poor plotting, and endless fight at the end with too much CGI and an over-reliance on "hey look it's these characters" for me. I can understand why others like it though. Just not my style.
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I wasn't yelling at you, not sure where the "whoa" comes from.

I disliked The Avengers a great deal. Poor plotting, and endless fight at the end with too much CGI and an over-reliance on "hey look it's these characters" for me. I can understand why others like it though. Just not my style.
I will concede that as a movie, The Avengers may not have been the best example. However, the movie was an achievement when it comes to comic book movies. It showed that it is possible to do a cohesive cinematic universe using multiple properties. If anything, The Avengers is an event. The entire premise is about these iconic characters coming together and learning to work well together. It was always going to be "hey look it's these characters" because that is what the entire basis of The Avengers is.

As for the amount of CGI, and I know you personally don't like CGI unless used sparingly, for that particular climax, the only way to do a lot of it and make it look good is CGI. You can't do a flying Thor or Iron Man without CGI. You can't do a good Hulk without CGI. You can't do an extremely nimble alien army without CGI. You can't do gigantic space worms without CGI. You can't do Hulk wrecking those aliens and space worms without CGI. Personally, I like it when practical effects are used as much as they can be. However, there does become a point where, to get the look and feel you want, you have to resort to CGI. Nolan himself saw this when it came to Two-Face and some of The Bat sequences.
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I will concede that as a movie, The Avengers may not have been the best example. However, the movie was an achievement when it comes to comic book movies. It showed that it is possible to do a cohesive cinematic universe using multiple properties. If anything, The Avengers is an event. The entire premise is about these iconic characters coming together and learning to work well together. It was always going to be "hey look it's these characters" because that is what the entire basis of The Avengers is.

As for the amount of CGI, and I know you personally don't like CGI unless used sparingly, for that particular climax, the only way to do a lot of it and make it look good is CGI. You can't do a flying Thor or Iron Man without CGI. You can't do a good Hulk without CGI. You can't do an extremely nimble alien army without CGI. You can't do gigantic space worms without CGI. You can't do Hulk wrecking those aliens and space worms without CGI. Personally, I like it when practical effects are used as much as they can be. However, there does become a point where, to get the look and feel you want, you have to resort to CGI. Nolan himself saw this when it came to Two-Face and some of The Bat sequences.
None of what you're saying is wrong. If I watched the MCU movies in order as they come it would probably be easier for me to see The Avengers more as a climax than a standalone film. I think that's probably how it works best, the climax of Phase One. I'll review it in that light someday.

As for CGI, it's not that I dislike it, more that I need it to be balanced. An hour of it in a row is not balanced enough for me. More shots of real people doing real things within that fight would have made it ten times better for me, even if the grander stuff still had to be CGI. Or perhaps splitting the fight into two, with practical stuff between. Something like that.
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I'll take any Marvel phase one or two films over Nolan's non-Batman sequels. Snyder's MOS is better too.
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I can't believe so many of you still have problems grasping the "as realistic as possible Batman" that Nolan was going for. It wasn't supposed to look like the comic book.
No Ive grasped that since 2005. You know that people are taller and bigger than Tom Hardy right? Bane could have been much bigger and still been realistic.

And about the whole "realism" thing. Do I need to remind you of the water vaporizer that can vaporize water in underground pipes but not in the human bodies standing right beside it? Or Bruce and Rachel free falling onto a cab from an upper floor of a sky scrapper? Or Bruce surviving multiple hundred foot drops with a rope around his waste that should have snapped his back? Or Bruce having a "dislocated vertebrate" punched back into place? Or a hundred other fantastical events and things in the films.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy a lot of what Nolan did and Batman Begins is my favorite Batman film, but the whole thing of trying to explain away Nolan's every decision by saying "He was going for realism" doesn't work. These films are choked full of fantasy. Nolan played fast and loose with "realism". So the argument that Bane couldn't have some strength augmenting supplement or be larger because it's not realistic doesn't work for me. Especially considering that in TDKR a nuke blows up 6 miles off the city coast and not so much as butterfly in that city is affected by it. Bane having a strength serum would have been one of the more realistic things in that film. But that's not what Nolan wanted and that's his choice.

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No Ive grasped that since 2005. You know that people are taller and bigger than Tom Hardy right? Bane could have been much bigger and still been realistic.

And about the whole "realism" thing. Do I need to remind you of the water vaporizer that can vaporize water in underground pipes but not in the human bodies standing right beside it? Or Bruce and Rachel free falling onto a cab from an upper floor of a sky scrapper? Or Bruce surviving multiple hundred foot drops with a rope around his waste that should have snapped his back? Or Bruce having a "dislocated vertebrate" "punched back into place"? Or a hundred other fantastical events and things in the films.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy a lot of what Nolan did and Batman Begins is my favorite Batman film, but the whole thing of trying to explain away Nolan's every decision by saying "He was going for realism" doesn't work. These films are choked full of fantasy. Nolan played fast and loose with "realism". So the argument that Bane couldn't have some strength augmenting supplement because it's not realistic doesn't work for me. Especially considering that in TDKR a nuke blows up 6 miles off the city coast and not so much as butterfly in that city is affected by it. Bane having a strength scrum would have been one of the more realistic things in that film. But that's not what Nolan wanted and that's his choice.
This old chestnut. It's not about realism so far as "that could happen," it's about cinematic realism. Building a world that feels real. Nolan goes on and on about this.
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And Ill take any Nolan film over any boring Marvel comic book films. MOS?
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And Ill take any Nolan film over any boring Marvel comic book films. MOS?
I'll second that. Any Nolan film has more ambition and cinematic beauty than Marvel CGI cartoons. And I like Marvel.
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Does the bonus disc on the last boxset with the making of the trilogy have any interview with heat legend on?
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Does the bonus disc on the last boxset with the making of the trilogy have any interview with heat legend on?
Heath Ledger? And, I think that would be ...
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No? not even interviews from on the set?
I don't have it, but earlier posters complained about that ... and no-one disagreed with my post, so ...
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