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Old 03-25-2017, 01:58 AM   #261
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It was posted a few pages up-thread.

Re watching The Sopranos in preparation for the show's tour I'm taking in May, and have moved my seat and surrounds back another foot and a half or so, an hour of 1:85 closeups of faces can get a little tiring at that distance.
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Old 04-04-2017, 03:27 AM   #262
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I will. I have a Panny Plasma.
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Old 04-04-2017, 06:23 PM   #263
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As I just posted a short time ago in my Home Theater Gallery Thread I have an LG OLED65B6P 65" OLED TV coming that will replace my Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD 50" 1080P Plasma TV in my Home Theater/Listening Room. The Kuro will be moved to our Bedroom.

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Old 04-05-2017, 11:05 PM   #264
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So at my viewing distance of around 5 feet, my 65" VT60 looks great, but according to the chart I'd need ten more inches to fully justify 4K (not factoring the viewing distance would probably increase to 6ish feet).

A 75" 4K OLED is too expensive and probably will be for another few years, whereupon I'd go ATMOS too.
You'll find that is to resolve all the detail of 2160p. You don't need to resolve all that details. 1440p alone is a huge leap over 1080p, but the content is limited (most 4k blu-rays are 2k upscales) and even then, it isn't like games where the difference is massive, it is far more subtle (likely due to the cameras in use etc).
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Old 05-04-2017, 06:20 PM   #265
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After obtaining a panny plasma tv 5 years ago i thought it might be time to upgrade to 4k,after doing some research i have come to the conclusion the time is not right!
Sure,the picture is sharper/brighter on todays tv's,also now you have hdr/dolby vision,but my tv in my opinion is at least comparable if not better in the contrast,motion and screen uniformity departments.
Has anyone else found this to be the case?
Also,after manufacturers almost perfecting 1080p plasmas,what was the main reason why 4k plasmas were not produced? (I did hear it was power consumption problems)
lg for example has spent billions on oled design/production,I know they sell many components that incorperate oked,still,sure it would have been cheaper to produce 4k plasmas?
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Old 05-04-2017, 06:48 PM   #266
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After obtaining a panny plasma tv 5 years ago i thought it might be time to upgrade to 4k,after doing some research i have come to the conclusion the time is not right!
Sure,the picture is sharper/brighter on todays tv's,also now you have hdr/dolby vision,but my tv in my opinion is at least comparable if not better in the contrast,motion and screen uniformity departments.
Has anyone else found this to be the case?
Also,after manufacturers almost perfecting 1080p plasmas,what was the main reason why 4k plasmas were not produced? (I did hear it was power consumption problems)
lg for example has spent billions on oled design/production,I know they sell many components that incorperate oked,still,sure it would have been cheaper to produce 4k plasmas?
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:00 PM   #267
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After obtaining a panny plasma tv 5 years ago i thought it might be time to upgrade to 4k,after doing some research i have come to the conclusion the time is not right!
Sure,the picture is sharper/brighter on todays tv's,also now you have hdr/dolby vision,but my tv in my opinion is at least comparable if not better in the contrast,motion and screen uniformity departments.
Has anyone else found this to be the case?
Also,after manufacturers almost perfecting 1080p plasmas,what was the main reason why 4k plasmas were not produced? (I did hear it was power consumption problems)
lg for example has spent billions on oled design/production,I know they sell many components that incorperate oked,still,sure it would have been cheaper to produce 4k plasmas?
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Same here with my 65" Panny ZT60. Sure I want a 75/78" TV, but the contrast is excellent in my darkened viewing environment, and motion and screen uniformity is still the best, in my opinion. I think the main reason Plasma died was power consumption. With the larger screen sizes being in demand and becoming cheaper, a 75" plasma would really be a power hog, and in some cases might not meet states with strict consumption requirements, like California. OLED improvements continue........ I'm also curious about what we might see in a few years with emissive nano dot tech. I'm sitting tight for a few more years myself.
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Old 05-06-2017, 06:14 PM   #268
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My only regret is not going for the 46/50 inch plasma rather than my 42.
Little did i know plasmas would cease to exist post 2014.
I defo think theres a market there for plasmas,even if just one reputable company made them.
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Old 05-07-2017, 01:52 PM   #269
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As I just posted a short time ago in my Home Theater Gallery Thread I have an LG OLED65B6P 65" OLED TV coming that will replace my Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD 50" 1080P Plasma TV in my Home Theater/Listening Room. The Kuro will be moved to our Bedroom.

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I would be interested in your comparison once you have it. I am still enjoying my aging PEK Pro-151 but weighing replacement options. I still have reservations about the OLED motion issues and longevity and since we do not watch in a totally dark room, the newest Sony LEDs are an interesting option.
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Old 05-08-2017, 08:20 AM   #270
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I have my Panasonic Plasma that I'll be holding on to until the end of time if I can.

Wondering why they can't just keep making those as they were (1080p). It's perfect. That's the only high def TV anyone should have.

4k is lame. I want the cinema experience (2k), not overblown BS where everything's sharp and I can see the bacteria in every strand of cloth.
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Old 05-08-2017, 04:13 PM   #271
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I still have 2 plasma displays and can appreciate all to love on these great PDP 1080p displays. With that said what we miss with 1080p PDP is the new TV system of HDR, WCG, 10-bit and EOTF. Once you see some of the great content properly mastered in UHD/HDR you will want to upgrade.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:54 AM   #272
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I think the main reason Plasma died was power consumption.
Plasma died because of consumer ignorance and savage appetite for cheapo tvs.

Still hanging onto my 65" VT60. RIP PDP.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:03 AM   #273
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I still have 2 plasma displays and can appreciate all to love on these great PDP 1080p displays. With that said what we miss with 1080p PDP is the new TV system of HDR, WCG, 10-bit and EOTF. Once you see some of the great content properly mastered in UHD/HDR you will want to upgrade.
Maybe in a few years when they bring 3d back and fix up oled motion.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:55 AM   #274
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Plasma died because of consumer ignorance and savage appetite for cheapo tvs.

Still hanging onto my 65" VT60. RIP PDP.
Which is ironic because plasmas were cheaper than comparable LCDs. Consumer ignorance combined with super bright LCD demo models were only part of the problem. The lack of sales didn't support the high R&D cost to produce an affordable 4K plasma. Plus, as HDTV1080P put it, California's energy laws made it almost impossible for plasmas to pass regulations.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:56 AM   #275
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Oled is the closest thing to plasma... off axis viewing especially but the technoligy is in fact lower in nits and like plasma is very sensitive to image retention and burn-in. I do find more crushed blacks than i see in 1000 to 2000 nit panels. It really depends on usage... what you watch, how you watch and from what angle. The Sony oleds do have better video processing in their LG aquired panels than what LG currently offers but to be fair, Sony's engine comes from their history of photo and superior video processing chips.
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Plasma died because of consumer ignorance and savage appetite for cheapo tvs.

Still hanging onto my 65" VT60. RIP PDP.
I agree that plasma was much better but a few things hurt plasma. Burn in/ir which i got from the nfl logo on my plasma and would not come out after a year. The second major problem was plasma was great for a dark room setting but led looked better in a sun filled room during the day. I have two oleds now ( e6 for the living room, c6 bedroom) and have had no trouble with them regarding b.i./i.r. and they get bright enough for light filled rooms. All the tv's have their own problems it is more about what fits your needs.
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I agree that plasma was much better but a few things hurt plasma. Burn in/ir which i got from the nfl logo on my plasma and would not come out after a year. The second major problem was plasma was great for a dark room setting but led looked better in a sun filled room during the day. I have two oleds now ( e6 for the living room, c6 bedroom) and have had no trouble with them regarding b.i./i.r. and they get bright enough for light filled rooms. All the tv's have their own problems it is more about what fits your needs.
Getting the networks onboard with plasma friendly logos and overlays would be the biggest hurdle to bringing back plasma, or conquering the burn-in problem. Love to upgrade to a 4k plasma, but guess I'll keep dreaming.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:16 PM   #278
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Still have 2 Panasonic plasmas, However I just purchased a LG OLED ... time to move with the times
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Which is ironic because plasmas were cheaper than comparable LCDs. Consumer ignorance combined with super bright LCD demo models were only part of the problem. The lack of sales didn't support the high R&D cost to produce an affordable 4K plasma. Plus, as HDTV1080P put it, California's energy laws made it almost impossible for plasmas to pass regulations.
Which mirrors my comments on power consumption
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I still have 2 plasma displays and can appreciate all to love on these great PDP 1080p displays. With that said what we miss with 1080p PDP is the new TV system of HDR, WCG, 10-bit and EOTF. Once you see some of the great content properly mastered in UHD/HDR you will want to upgrade.
Which I don't understand why those improvements couldn't have been added to 1080p displays as well. With the size TV I have and the distance I sit, there's just no appreciable difference between 1080p and 4K resolution.
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