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It was also nominated for an Oscar for best sound mix. I remember the part when Sauron first appeared. LFE!!! As soon the Blu-ray is out, I will watch that scene right away for a final confirm.
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It doesn't sound great, mate. Maybe back during the days of DVD it would have been reference, but it's not all that. Surprisingly very little surround activity for such a scene. My speakers is pretty good. Reference audio as far as blu rays are concerned for me are Ang Lee's Hulk and Bourne Ultimatum. Highly immersive sound design those films have. Alien Anthology has great sound all the way through, too.

A lot of people complained about Terminator not having a mono track, but I thought that the 5.1 DTS track was wonderful, personally. Even if it is remixed from the original version.
Are you sure about that? That's one of the earlier Warner titles where you have to manually change the audio to lossless.
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Are you sure about that? That's one of the earlier Warner titles where you have to manually change the audio to lossless.
I don't have lossless. I've got a decent system but no HD sockets. The most I can get is DTS mps 1.5 or if it's only a Dolby Track, Dolby 640kps. Stilly lossy but MUCH better quality than DVD tracks. Some DTS 1.5 tracks are even on par with lossless tracks apparently. Though that's going by comments other people have made.

Maybe the lossless track would be of benefit to this film, I don't know. I only notice compression problems with lossy Dolby Tracks on blu rays than with DTS 1.5 tracks, as they sound crisp and good to me. That said, The Dark Knight and Pan's Labyrinth are Dolby tracks and they sound good.
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I don't have lossless. I've got a decent system but no HD sockets. The most I can get is DTS mps 1.5 or if it's only a Dolby Track, Dolby 640kps. Stilly lossy but MUCH better quality than DVD tracks. Some DTS 1.5 tracks are even on par with lossless tracks apparently. Though that's going by comments other people have made.

Maybe the lossless track would be of benefit to this film, I don't know. I only notice compression problems with lossy Dolby Tracks on blu rays than with DTS 1.5 tracks, as they sound crisp and good to me. That said, The Dark Knight and Pan's Labyrinth are Dolby tracks and they sound good.
There's your issue then. The lobby scene is intense when you utilize the Dolby TrueHD option. Going lossless 7.1 surround in 2008 was the best thing I ever dead in regards to my home theater.
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There's your issue then. The lobby scene is intense when you utilize the Dolby TrueHD option. Going lossless 7.1 surround in 2008 was the best thing I ever dead in regards to my home theater.

I went 7.1 lossless last year. Now I just want to focus on upgrading one speaker at a time...and the sub.
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I went 7.1 lossless last year. Now I just want to focus on upgrading one speaker at a time...and the sub.
I'll do that when and if I am able to have my own home theater room.
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I'll do that when and if I am able to have my own home theater room.

That would require lottery money for me. I am fine with having the large system in the living room. That is where everyone watches the movies.
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That would require lottery money for me. I am fine with having the large system in the living room. That is where everyone watches the movies.
Oh, me too. That's just my ultimate dream. You know, the stuff that the guys in their 50s and 60s joke about in the galleries section because they have money.
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Oh, me too. That's just my ultimate dream. You know, the stuff that the guys in their 50s and 60s joke about in the galleries section because they have money.

Yeah, I pretty much know that even if I have money, it won't be THAT money. Oh well, I don't know anyone personally who has a better setup so I am happy for now.
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Yeah, I pretty much know that even if I have money, it won't be THAT money. Oh well, I don't know anyone personally who has a better setup so I am happy for now.
Come to think of it I don't either.
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Come to think of it I don't either.

See? Life isn't so bad after all
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Yeah, I pretty much know that even if I have money, it won't be THAT money. Oh well, I don't know anyone personally who has a better setup so I am happy for now.
Same in my community of foreigners in the Highlands of PNG. The closest someone has to my setup is a friend who ordered the same fronts and subwoofer but won't have any center or sides. Which means my house is preferred for movie nights. I always feel a little disappointed when going to see a movie at a friend's house with it usually meaning DVD and no surround sound.
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That would require lottery money for me. I am fine with having the large system in the living room. That is where everyone watches the movies.
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Yeah, I pretty much know that even if I have money, it won't be THAT money. Oh well, I don't know anyone personally who has a better setup so I am happy for now.
Although I've had a dedicated HT room, I actually prefer living room setups. They're just more like home to me, where everyone goes and hangs out. When I had the HT room, half the time the wife and kids were like, "nah, let's just watch out here in the living room where we always hang out", which didn't have all my "good" gear. Even now in my current place, I have a loft where I can put a dedicated HT, but I never bothered because the living room just "works", and even if it isn't acoustically favorable vs. a closed room, I'm ok with it. And a few weeks ago, the wife says to me, "You spoiled me. I can't watch anything without the stereo system now." Who am I to disagree with that and move it all to a closed off room? That's not "home" theater to me.
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Same in my community of foreigners in the Highlands of PNG. The closest someone has to my setup is a friend who ordered the same fronts and subwoofer but won't have any center or sides. Which means my house is preferred for movie nights. I always feel a little disappointed when going to see a movie at a friend's house with it usually meaning DVD and no surround sound.

Same here. I went to a kid's birthday party and everyone was like "hey, let's put in a movie." It was DVD and it looked terrible. I didn't say anything, of course, but it was hard to look at. Pretty sure it was a CRT TV. I thought I was watching a VHS.
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Although I've had a dedicated HT room, I actually prefer living room setups. They're just more like home to me, where everyone goes and hangs out. When I had the HT room, half the time the wife and kids were like, "nah, let's just watch out here in the living room where we always hang out", which didn't have all my "good" gear. Even now in my current place, I have a loft where I can put a dedicated HT, but I never bothered because the living room just "works", and even if it isn't acoustically favorable vs. a closed room, I'm ok with it. And a few weeks ago, the wife says to me, "You spoiled me. I can't watch anything without the stereo system now." Who am I to disagree with that and move it all to a closed off room? That's not "home" theater to me.

I know this would happen to me. No way my wife would go sit in a home theater room every night. She wants to get on the sectional, configure her pillows and wrap up. My spot is always where the speakers were aimed so I always have the best spot. No one else cares where that is.
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Same in my community of foreigners in the Highlands of PNG. The closest someone has to my setup is a friend who ordered the same fronts and subwoofer but won't have any center or sides. Which means my house is preferred for movie nights. I always feel a little disappointed when going to see a movie at a friend's house with it usually meaning DVD and no surround sound.

Reading this makes me wish I had a movie night at my house. My 6 year old and 2 year old can now sleep through the system.
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It doesn't sound great, mate. Maybe back during the days of DVD it would have been reference, but it's not all that. Surprisingly very little surround activity for such a scene. My speakers is pretty good. Reference audio as far as blu rays are concerned for me are Ang Lee's Hulk and Bourne Ultimatum. Highly immersive sound design those films have. Alien Anthology has great sound all the way through, too.

A lot of people complained about Terminator not having a mono track, but I thought that the 5.1 DTS track was wonderful, personally. Even if it is remixed from the original version.
The Lobby scene was a reference scene years ago, but it has not aged well when I have revisited it recently. LFE extension is clearly lacking on a good system compared to the reference or even higher up titles. That scene is centered around 45hz and basically has nothing worth mentioning below 30hz.

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...ge-20#entry545

Surround work is still good IMO in that scene, but again is easily bested by truly reference caliber scenes from better tracks that have hit since. Hell, just listen to Matrix Reloaded for improvements in both areas and then Revolutions again improves things even further (LFE at least).

The Matrix Lobby scene is definitely not a reference scene in any way at this point when you consider the competition and is definitely showing it's age unfortunately.

I thought Gravity had an excellent audio track that was overall a reference caliber experience which was the last film I watched.

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Although I've had a dedicated HT room, I actually prefer living room setups. They're just more like home to me, where everyone goes and hangs out. When I had the HT room, half the time the wife and kids were like, "nah, let's just watch out here in the living room where we always hang out", which didn't have all my "good" gear. Even now in my current place, I have a loft where I can put a dedicated HT, but I never bothered because the living room just "works", and even if it isn't acoustically favorable vs. a closed room, I'm ok with it. And a few weeks ago, the wife says to me, "You spoiled me. I can't watch anything without the stereo system now." Who am I to disagree with that and move it all to a closed off room? That's not "home" theater to me.

I understand your feelings. I don't always want to sit in my black pit, closed off sealed and dark HT room, but it does give the most focused and intense experience for film/music. There are times when I decide to watch up in the living room setup though when I am not in the mood for the focused intensity down there. Point of all this being that it is good to do and have both if you can IMO since both serve a purpose the other cant.

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The Lobby scene was a reference scene years ago, but it has not aged well when I have revisited it recently. LFE extension is clearly lacking on a good system compared to the reference or even higher up titles. That scene is centered around 45hz and basically has nothing worth mentioning below 30hz.

http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...ge-20#entry545

Surround work is still good IMO in that scene, but again is easily bested by truly reference caliber scenes from better tracks that have hit since. Hell, just listen to Matrix Reloaded for improvements in both areas and then Revolutions again improves things even further (LFE at least).

The Matrix Lobby scene is definitely not a reference scene in any way at this point when you consider the competition and is definitely showing it's age unfortunately.

I thought Gravity had an excellent audio track that was overall a reference caliber experience which was the last film I watched.



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It might just be the fact that I can't get lossless for Dolby True HD tracks. At least with DTS HD tracks I get a high bit rate file so I feel a big difference even with the lossy DTS tracks at 1.5mpbs.

Maybe it's a combination of The Matrix's age and my sound system's age, I dunno. I do know that a lot of my blu rays sound great. I'll upgrade my sister in a couple of months and do a proper comparison test on that scene in HD and and lossy.
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It might just be the fact that I can't get lossless for Dolby True HD tracks. At least with DTS HD tracks I get a high bit rate file so I feel a big difference even with the lossy DTS tracks at 1.5mpbs.

Maybe it's a combination of The Matrix's age and my sound system's age, I dunno. I do know that a lot of my blu rays sound great. I'll upgrade my sister in a couple of months and do a proper comparison test on that scene in HD and and lossy.

The mix is the same which is the biggest factor, so there will be no difference there. Lossless will give you better fidelity, but with the mix being the same, there wont be any night/day difference in real world listening by any means. The track/scene is showing it's age which is the biggest thing you are noticing I am sure.

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