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Old 07-14-2014, 07:19 PM   #1161
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3 got the tone correct? That's the film that killed the series, taking the action out of one place and setting it in New York. That's when Die Hard ceased to be Die Hard anymore.
The idea of a confined space isn't necessarily "tone." I'm sure they're talking about what we were talking about a few posts above, the mean-spirited nature of 2.

Willis, of course, thinks the expansion of the series is natural. Building > airport > city > coastline > country > ?.
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The idea of a confined space isn't necessarily "tone." I'm sure they're talking about what we were talking about a few posts above, the mean-spirited nature of 2.

Willis, of course, thinks the expansion of the series is natural. Building > airport > city > coastline > country > ?.
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Yep, it'll be Die Hard in space next. And it won't be any worse than #5.
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Latest roumors have them coming full-circle, and returning to a building premise.
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I love how it takes the grenades about 30 seconds to blow



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And don't forget his magical magazine in his Beretta. I know every movie takes liberties with such things, but McClane looses off about 30 rounds before he reloads during the Annex Skywalk ambush. That's another reason why I dig Die Hard 2, it's all violent and sweary, yet it reels off so many action movie clichés I just can't take it seriously. Love the bit when McClane finds the doll amongst the wreckage of the plane, it's a gloriously cheese-tastic moment.
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And don't forget his magical magazine in his Beretta. I know every movie takes liberties with such things, but McClane looses off about 30 rounds before he reloads during the Annex Skywalk ambush. That's another reason why I dig Die Hard 2, it's all violent and sweary, yet it reels off so many action movie clichés I just can't take it seriously. Love the bit when McClane finds the doll amongst the wreckage of the plane, it's a gloriously cheese-tastic moment.
Die Hard 2 is probably the cheesiest DH movie. Which is why I also really enjoy it.
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Latest roumors have them coming full-circle, and returning to a building premise.
Well, it's hard to separate fact from fiction. Ben Trebilcook is basically a fanfic author, but he's managed to inject his name in the right places in a number of spots that web reporters have picked up his bunk about writing the 6th film (he wrote it as the 4th film long ago and has been just banging the drum ever since) as fact, which 20th Century Fox was quick to shoot down. It's not clear whether the whole Nakatomi Corporation thread they talked about was part of Trebilcook's pitch or not. If it was, it's probably nonsense.

This is like the guy who wrote Ferris Bueller's Day Off 2. They're spec scripts, done without the knowledge of the studios but have managed to gain some form of internet traction.
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So you're fine with the same thing happening to the same guy on the same day of the year, with his wife in the air who is stuck with the same obnoxious reporter and for some reason their plane can't fly to the numerous other airports in the area.


Ejecting on the ground is ludicrous. A plane flying on fumes blowing up like a fully fueled one is ludicrous. The flame catching up to an aircraft already in the air, after taxiing down the world's longest approach, is ludicrous (not to mention aircraft fuel doesn't burn like gasoline, and a bad guy ingested into the engine would have disabled it...those things can't even handle a large bird).


Then there's just the whole nasty tone of DH2. More civilians died than bad guys and what were the stakes anyway? The USAF couldn't shoot down the 747 once it was in the air?


1 & 3 got the tone correct.


DH2 is the very definition of a cash-in sequel that gives sequels a bad name.
Yes I'm fine with all that. It's just a darn fun movie to me. As flawed as it is, it's still better than 4 and especially 5.
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No it's not. How could you say that when Die Hard 4 and Die Hard 5 exist.
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Die Hard 4 is much, much better than Die Hard 2, even with the PG-13.

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3 got the tone correct? That's the film that killed the series, taking the action out of one place and setting it in New York. That's when Die Hard ceased to be Die Hard anymore, and became just a generic buddy movie (using a script WB was considering for Lethal Weapon 4 at that). Not to mention the tone was all over the place, when McTiernan couldn't figure out how to end the film, and ultimately went with an ending that feels like it's from a completely separate movie.

The Die Hard "formula" in 1 and 3 is John McClane having a bad day. A charming and interesting villain pulling off an ingenious heist with a clever fake out. Violent scenes, but not gory or sadistic. Some civilians get hurt/killed in the crossfire but far more bad guys bite the dust. An overall sense of humor about the situation with some gags and banter between John & the villain. DH2 had none of that.

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I love how it takes the grenades about 30 seconds to blow

How about a minute before that with the thug firing point blank into a metal door and no shrapnel or ricochets hitting/killing himself and everyone else around him?

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The idea of a confined space isn't necessarily "tone." I'm sure they're talking about what we were talking about a few posts above, the mean-spirited nature of 2.

Again, this. DH1 was "fun". A lot of laughs. Takagi, a couple security guards, and the douchebag Ellis are pretty much the only civilian casualties. DH2 is grim. Crashing a plane full of passengers just because.

Hans Gruber was a great villain. Colonel Stuart is just cold. No charm whatsoever.


When you step back and really think about it, DH2 just doesn't hold up. I thought it was ok when it came out but age has not been kind.
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Yes I'm fine with all that. It's just a darn fun movie to me. As flawed as it is, it's still better than 4 and especially 5.

As I pointed out, it's too sadistic for me to find it "fun". More appropriate for another franchise. Not Die Hard.
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Seems like JBHI doesn't have it on Blu-ray anymore, just the dvd version is listed, I tried the link on here and the page no longer exists. I understand that the German release is just the Uncut theatrical version not the Uncut uncensored version that Australia has. if anyone knows if the Australian version Blu-ray is around and ships to the U.S. let me know, Thanks
If anybody's looking for the AU version with Unrated DH4 let me know, I've just picked up a spare and am willing to ship it for cost.


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