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Old 01-24-2014, 02:16 PM   #1141
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Need some advice...

I'm currently running some PSB 40MKii's which came out around 1990? They're technically bookshelf speakers, but from what I've seen are somewhat unique in that they use an 8" woofer, instead of what I've usually seen which are 5 1/4" woofers. They are also rated at 100Wpc.

I'm going to be installing a home theater room and am questioning whether I replace them or not (Note, I'm only talking about listening to music here). My first instinct would be to get some Imagine T2's as I really like the look. But the problem is to drive them (300 watts) I'd have to get a new stereo amp.

I love the Pioneer amp I currently have and CD/SACDs sound awesome on my current setup (not an overly large room, sitting about 6-8 feet from speakers).

So maybe I don't need that much power.....ok, so I look at the Imagine bookshelfs which are rated at 125wpc. However, they use the smaller 5 1/4" woofer. Air displacement is air displacement, and I'm thinking my old speakers would have much better 'oomph' to them as a result.

Thoughts?
Where did you get the idea that it needs 300 watts because I would be in lacking in the power department since my amp is not 300 watts. I listen to music a lot and from my experience with my speakers is that they benefit with some juice.

However, I don't sit that close like you do and my speakers are about 10.5 feet apart with my listening position at 11.5 feet.

I agree the imagine Bs do not have much bass and you probably want a sub with them.
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:05 PM   #1142
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I agree the imagine Bs do not have much bass and you probably want a sub with them.
Ok, so dumb question....how do I get it to engage the sub if I'm listening in stereo? Besides which, my understanding of SACD is that it doesn't support using a Sub.
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Old 01-25-2014, 05:16 AM   #1143
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Ok, so dumb question....how do I get it to engage the sub if I'm listening in stereo? Besides which, my understanding of SACD is that it doesn't support using a Sub.
your receiver should have a setting that will play in stereo and use the crossover to you sub. i can do it with my integra, dont know why the pioneers wouldnt have a similar setting.
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Old 01-25-2014, 02:05 PM   #1144
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your receiver should have a setting that will play in stereo and use the crossover to you sub. i can do it with my integra, dont know why the pioneers wouldnt have a similar setting.
Ok, I went through the manual and found the setting. I'll play around with it today.

Question - if I was to get the T2's.....I'm assuming they'd qualify as 'Large' speakers in terms of receiver setup correct? Meaning I wouldn't have to get a separate sub?
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Old 01-25-2014, 02:56 PM   #1145
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Ok, I went through the manual and found the setting. I'll play around with it today.

Question - if I was to get the T2's.....I'm assuming they'd qualify as 'Large' speakers in terms of receiver setup correct? Meaning I wouldn't have to get a separate sub?
For music, I listen in 2 channel strictly and just can't get into multichannel music or with a sub added. Its what I am used to but you might want a sub if you are into movies.

Its a matter of how you have been listening to music and what your personal taste is. I have always been used to listening in 2 channel mode but if you like multichannel SACD's, then maybe the Imagine B's with a great sub.

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Old 01-25-2014, 04:31 PM   #1146
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Ok, I went through the manual and found the setting. I'll play around with it today.

Question - if I was to get the T2's.....I'm assuming they'd qualify as 'Large' speakers in terms of receiver setup correct? Meaning I wouldn't have to get a separate sub?
i have not heard the T2s so I cant say what kind of bass reproduction theyll have. you will have to listen and determine for yourself if they do enough on their own or if they need a sub. I think that the Imagine Ts need a sub personally.

Like Solo, i only use 2 speakers when I listen to music, i dont use a sub. but my monitors are capable of some very good bass.

For movies tho, i think you should crossover to a sub.
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:31 AM   #1147
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Paul Barton with his dedication in the NRC Anechoic Chamber. Thought I share this with members here. Looks like the Imagine B in the chamber.
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Old 04-22-2014, 02:08 AM   #1148
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Some new(ish) Synchrony Ones arrived today.

Pretty darned happy.
Theater--Amp: Marantz SR7007; Blu: Marantz BD7004; LD: Marantz LV500; Proj: Mits. HC3800; Screen: Stewart Firehawk 93; Frnts: Monitor Audio Silver 8i; Monitor Audio Silver 10ic; Sides/rears: B&W DM303; B&W DM302; Sub: B&W ASW 1000

Stereo--Pre: McIntosh C2300; Amp: Emotiva XPA-2; Spkrs: PSB Synchrony One; TT: Music Hall MMF 5.1; Cart: Goldring 2200; Spd Cntrl: Pro-Ject SpeedBox II; Disc: Marantz DV7600; Tun: Marantz ST59; iPod dock/DAC: Peachtree iDac; Headphones: Grado 60.
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Old 04-23-2014, 04:12 AM   #1149
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Some new(ish) Synchrony Ones arrived today.

Pretty darned happy.
we need pictures or it didn't happen
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Old 04-23-2014, 05:11 AM   #1150
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exactly... wheres the pics?
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Old 04-23-2014, 11:48 AM   #1151
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Sorry, fellas...I've never had much luck posting pics to this site. I'll try again tonight.

The best part about the new speakers is that I found a used Monitor Audio center channel on eBay, so our old towers (and the new matching center) went to the movie room.

The Kef fronts and center from the movie room when to the bedroom.

It was a triple upgrade!
Theater--Amp: Marantz SR7007; Blu: Marantz BD7004; LD: Marantz LV500; Proj: Mits. HC3800; Screen: Stewart Firehawk 93; Frnts: Monitor Audio Silver 8i; Monitor Audio Silver 10ic; Sides/rears: B&W DM303; B&W DM302; Sub: B&W ASW 1000

Stereo--Pre: McIntosh C2300; Amp: Emotiva XPA-2; Spkrs: PSB Synchrony One; TT: Music Hall MMF 5.1; Cart: Goldring 2200; Spd Cntrl: Pro-Ject SpeedBox II; Disc: Marantz DV7600; Tun: Marantz ST59; iPod dock/DAC: Peachtree iDac; Headphones: Grado 60.
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Old 04-23-2014, 12:22 PM   #1152
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Sooo. How do you like them? I'm curious in upgrading to the synchrony line of bookshelves
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Old 04-23-2014, 06:30 PM   #1153
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So far, I REALLY love them.

I'm a music fan more than a real audiophile, so I'm afraid if I tried to describe the sound I'd just be bullsh*tting.

However, the sound is full and I haven't noticed any listener fatigue yet.
My wife (who is also a music fan) also noticed a significant improvement in sound quality.

I'll try to answer any specific questions as best I can.
I'll also try to post some pictures.
Theater--Amp: Marantz SR7007; Blu: Marantz BD7004; LD: Marantz LV500; Proj: Mits. HC3800; Screen: Stewart Firehawk 93; Frnts: Monitor Audio Silver 8i; Monitor Audio Silver 10ic; Sides/rears: B&W DM303; B&W DM302; Sub: B&W ASW 1000

Stereo--Pre: McIntosh C2300; Amp: Emotiva XPA-2; Spkrs: PSB Synchrony One; TT: Music Hall MMF 5.1; Cart: Goldring 2200; Spd Cntrl: Pro-Ject SpeedBox II; Disc: Marantz DV7600; Tun: Marantz ST59; iPod dock/DAC: Peachtree iDac; Headphones: Grado 60.
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Let's see if this works...photo 1.JPG

photo 3.JPG
Theater--Amp: Marantz SR7007; Blu: Marantz BD7004; LD: Marantz LV500; Proj: Mits. HC3800; Screen: Stewart Firehawk 93; Frnts: Monitor Audio Silver 8i; Monitor Audio Silver 10ic; Sides/rears: B&W DM303; B&W DM302; Sub: B&W ASW 1000

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Let's see if this works...Attachment 85049

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They look very nice!
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DFT,

looks good, I cant tell from the photo but it looks like the speakers are pretty close to the wall. my understanding of those i have talked to about the Sync's is that they need a good 2-3 feet from the wall and you can get some pretty good depth. again its tough to tell from the photo, but if you can make the placement happen it could pay some pretty dividends.

oh, and i see that little mac amp you have there... nice!!
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looks good, I cant tell from the photo but it looks like the speakers are pretty close to the wall. my understanding of those i have talked to about the Sync's is that they need a good 2-3 feet from the wall and you can get some pretty good depth. again its tough to tell from the photo, but if you can make the placement happen it could pay some pretty dividends.
Yup, they're farther out than they look; the record boxes are a bit off the wall. I'm not sure if they're quite 2 feet out, but they're definitely over 1.5 feet away from the wall. Be that as it may, we need to consider aesthetics in the most used room of the house.
Theater--Amp: Marantz SR7007; Blu: Marantz BD7004; LD: Marantz LV500; Proj: Mits. HC3800; Screen: Stewart Firehawk 93; Frnts: Monitor Audio Silver 8i; Monitor Audio Silver 10ic; Sides/rears: B&W DM303; B&W DM302; Sub: B&W ASW 1000

Stereo--Pre: McIntosh C2300; Amp: Emotiva XPA-2; Spkrs: PSB Synchrony One; TT: Music Hall MMF 5.1; Cart: Goldring 2200; Spd Cntrl: Pro-Ject SpeedBox II; Disc: Marantz DV7600; Tun: Marantz ST59; iPod dock/DAC: Peachtree iDac; Headphones: Grado 60.

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scroll mid-way to see the new Imagine X
seems to be a cross-breed of image cabs & imagine gears?
affordable for folk looking into mid-tier image set-up.
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Old 06-20-2014, 05:11 PM   #1159
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scroll mid-way to see the new Imagine X
seems to be a cross-breed of image cabs & imagine gears?
affordable for folk looking into mid-tier image set-up. :shiftyeyes
Don't like the silver phase plugs (black is much better on the Images) and they still have that stupid vertical ridge running down the center of the front baffle. Was hoping for better changes for the next gen Images since I liked them better than the Imagines anyway.
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Can't say I agree, but shouldn't be a major consideration for purchase.
grill to thrill I suppose.

I'm seriously considering moving back to psb
Life's been rocky to me, going to be a while for me to upgrade to RtiA9's.
Reading around the weber~net, every time I come across psb, I want back in. Imagines if I could, just fine with image.
Sell off my polk books & center, move towards the image T5, & then C5 later. Lovin' the deals I'm seeing on the T5.

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