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Old 10-26-2016, 12:11 AM   #21
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Old 10-28-2016, 04:45 AM   #22
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I'm concerned about some comments on the UK thread about their release. Somebody commented on very low bitrate (average 19.99mbps, dipping to 5-6 in spots), and the 50GB blu-ray is almost half empty. Plus all 4 hours of the extras are cramped into 7GB and SD only.

"the disc is only used up to 30.5 Gb, and the movie only weights 23.5 Gb."

Can we expect the same for the Canadian release, or is it possible it could be better encoded than the UK release?
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Old 10-28-2016, 04:51 AM   #23
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20 mbps is adequate for a well encoded 1080p 24 stream. But yes, it would be nice to see higher bitrates which can help prevent "operator error" during the encode.

Someone mentioned that the Canadian release would be from the same master but probably a new encode done the local company, so it could better or worse.

UPDATE: Here is the post from the thread about the UK release. This is very sad news. I gotta cancel my Canadian order until I learn whether it is okay since sending something back to Canada from the US is likely to be a challenge / costly.


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I'll have a deeper look next week, but there seems to be (again, after Highlander) some scenes where the bitrate drops to such a low point (5-6 Mbps) that visible macroblocking gets in the way.

And indeed :
- despite the use of a BD-50
- despite all the extras (yes, absolutely all) being in 576i (and only being given about 7 Gb total despite them being 3h40 long)
- despite the movie being 148 min
...
the disc is only used up to 30.5 Gb, and the movie only weights 23.5 Gb.

For reference, the older Optimum disc was 40.9 Gb / movie was 29.9 Gb, and the Criterion was 43.2 Gb / 35.2 Gb.

AVB :
Criterion : 36.20 Mbps
Optimum : 27.02 Mbps
SC 2016 : 19.99 Mbps

On the plus side, it seems to be limited to specific softer shots (124 min for instance), the main bulk of the movie looking pretty pretty good !

EDIT : other plus side : I'm analysing the DTS HD MA 2.0 track and it seems free of any NR. Spectrals go up to 21 kHz. The track was a tad quiet though.

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Old 10-28-2016, 03:51 PM   #24
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Yeah, that's what I was talking about. It looks like the UK disc was encoded very poorly. The master may be excellent but the disc itself is crap imo, based on looking at those numbers and hearing his comment about visible macroblocking. That is totally unacceptable this far into the blu-ray format.

I'm also considering cancelling my order and seeing what other have to say before getting stuck with it.
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Old 10-29-2016, 01:27 AM   #25
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I would wait for caps-a-holic, failing that beaver, to put up screenshot comparisons.
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Old 10-29-2016, 01:56 AM   #26
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Good idea. Fingers crossed.

I almost worry that screen shots, unless well selected, might NOT reveal the issues -- but a thorough viewing would and I believe they do that as well.
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Old 10-29-2016, 01:11 PM   #27
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=206

Comparative caps + caps with macroblocks for example.
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Old 10-29-2016, 05:02 PM   #28
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$20 for the new disc VS $100+ for the Criterion disc is all I need to know.
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Old 11-02-2016, 02:06 AM   #29
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Mine should arrive Friday. Will update if no one else posts first.
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Old 11-02-2016, 02:26 AM   #30
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Mine should arrive Friday. Will update if no one else posts first.
Looking forward to it.
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Old 11-02-2016, 08:43 PM   #31
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Looking forward to it.
Lol whenver I order from Amazon.ca, I choose the standard shipping. They estimated it would arrive next Monday. Yesterday, DHL estimated Friday but they delivered it today.. so overnight.
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Old 11-02-2016, 11:02 PM   #32
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Mine arrived today and I'm very impressed with this set especially for such a nice $20 price point.
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Old 11-04-2016, 12:42 AM   #33
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This seems to contain a different encode than the UK version. It is only 1Mbps higher but also is 23.976hz vs 24hz.

Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     THE_MAN_WHO_FELL_TO_EARTH
Disc Size:      33,248,762,590 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Length:                 2:19:04.919 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   24,895,482,816 bytes
Total Bitrate:          23.87 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        21021 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1615 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1615 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         23.167 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:19:04.919     24,895,482,816  23,866          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:12:49.268     21,712 kbps     41,824 kbps     00:01:10.403    35,384 kbps     00:01:10.028    32,516 kbps     00:00:41.374    113,192 bytes   564,640 bytes   00:02:46.124    
2               0:12:49.268     0:09:48.462     21,848 kbps     35,876 kbps     00:22:32.059    32,739 kbps     00:15:28.010    31,289 kbps     00:21:40.716    113,904 bytes   500,287 bytes   00:22:07.409    
3               0:22:37.731     0:16:28.696     20,992 kbps     29,797 kbps     00:28:58.862    29,394 kbps     00:28:25.161    29,182 kbps     00:28:26.579    109,441 bytes   344,316 bytes   00:26:04.437    
4               0:39:06.427     0:08:53.741     22,614 kbps     36,016 kbps     00:43:00.911    33,437 kbps     00:43:00.953    30,426 kbps     00:42:56.073    117,899 bytes   514,208 bytes   00:44:00.429    
5               0:48:00.168     0:11:21.555     22,239 kbps     36,969 kbps     00:54:36.064    35,204 kbps     00:54:33.561    31,933 kbps     00:51:28.460    115,942 bytes   544,827 bytes   00:55:09.139    
6               0:59:21.724     0:08:32.094     19,270 kbps     35,766 kbps     01:01:52.166    28,774 kbps     01:03:21.798    28,447 kbps     01:06:12.343    100,464 bytes   372,851 bytes   01:03:24.967    
7               1:07:53.819     0:11:17.927     18,852 kbps     34,649 kbps     01:11:53.350    31,464 kbps     01:11:49.346    29,631 kbps     01:13:20.562    98,283 bytes    470,461 bytes   01:13:23.357    
8               1:19:11.746     0:12:22.616     18,578 kbps     42,077 kbps     01:29:19.520    28,981 kbps     01:21:48.028    28,636 kbps     01:21:47.319    96,855 bytes    327,281 bytes   01:29:37.580    
9               1:31:34.363     0:09:07.672     21,081 kbps     40,940 kbps     01:35:25.261    31,729 kbps     01:35:22.591    29,772 kbps     01:32:45.685    109,905 bytes   426,302 bytes   01:36:28.908    
10              1:40:42.036     0:13:58.170     21,799 kbps     34,031 kbps     01:43:30.037    32,538 kbps     01:43:25.949    31,186 kbps     01:43:21.904    113,650 bytes   442,277 bytes   01:46:03.482    
11              1:54:40.206     0:09:31.487     19,952 kbps     30,485 kbps     01:59:56.606    28,555 kbps     01:59:54.478    28,270 kbps     02:01:23.609    104,018 bytes   461,955 bytes   02:01:59.854    
12              2:04:11.694     0:14:53.225     22,634 kbps     37,937 kbps     02:07:24.553    33,087 kbps     02:07:23.844    32,314 kbps     02:18:03.900    118,012 bytes   625,598 bytes   02:18:49.487    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     8353.262                21,000                  21,927,557,235  119,290,678     
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           8353.262                1,614                   1,685,650,988   9,958,859       
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           8353.262                23                      24,165,767      140,608
The packaging is also a slipcase vs a hard box like the UK edition. The box is only in English which surprises me for a Canadian release.






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Old 11-04-2016, 01:26 AM   #34
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My copy came in today. Now that's service. It had shipped yesterday, with a delivery date of Monday the 7th. They obviously overnighted it and I am not complaining.
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Old 11-04-2016, 04:49 PM   #35
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The box is only in English which surprises me for a Canadian release.
That's because only English audio and subtitles are available on this release, no French...which is a little strange. But, at least I don't have to squint to read the back of the box now.
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Old 11-16-2016, 03:03 AM   #36
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Loinsgate is releasing the title as well, hope they do a better job.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=20233
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Old 11-16-2016, 04:54 AM   #37
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Anyone watch the Canadian release yet? Has the same issues as the UK release?
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Old 11-20-2016, 05:06 PM   #38
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What are these issues?
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DNR, contrast boost, poor encoding generating on some but numerous shots macroblocks and banding.
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What are these issues?
Amateurish color grading compared to the Criterion BD to name one.
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