The Insider (Michael Mann) - February 19,2013

[Illy Scorsese]

Finally got around to watching this tonight...

Are the slight color differences unfortunate? Yes... Does this disc still look and sound absolutely amazing? Yes.

It's hard to complain about a Blu-Ray that is this excellent.

The Film itself is a Masterpiece and the best thing Mann has ever done(slightly edges out HEAT)... Definitely in the Top 10 films of the past 20 years.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by The Drugstore

What was altered from Heat?

Two lines of dialogue were deleted.

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=718791

Sadly the "sift through the detritus" line was my favorite in the whole film. It was a bit of a poetic flourish, not especially realistic, more theatrical, but I miss it.

[hidefjunkie]

Can anyone provide the EAN-code for this title? Thanks in advance

[Rizor]

Originally Posted by hidefjunkie

Can anyone provide the EAN-code for this title? Thanks in advance

I believe it's 0786936827224.

[the sordid sentinel]

Gave this a viewing tonight. I've seen The Insider on DVD numerous times and I have to say the color changes on the Blu were fairly jarring. Still, the benefits far override that. Excellent picture quality overall.

[TAC]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

Two lines of dialogue were deleted.

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=718791

Sadly the "sift through the detritus" line was my favorite in the whole film. It was a bit of a poetic flourish, not especially realistic, more theatrical, but I miss it.

Uk disc shows runtime of 163 mins compared to the 170 of the US disc. I guess that would make it the original theatrical cut if the info is correct.

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by TAC

Uk disc shows runtime of 163 mins compared to the 170 of the US disc. I guess that would make it the original theatrical cut if the info is correct.

The link describes why there is essentially no significant difference in runtime attributable to the changes. Rather, runtime differences are due to PAL versus NTSC.

[TAC]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

The link describes why there is essentially no significant difference in runtime attributable to the changes. Rather, runtime differences are due to PAL versus NTSC.

Ok. My mistake. I should have read all of it lol.

[ChrisWiggles]

Originally Posted by retablo

And you seem to fail to understand the BASIC concepts of what resolution is, and what it does. It's cool that you think an image with half the resolution will looks exactly the same as one with twice the resolution... and that everything within that frame is subject to an upgrade when you increase resolution. That includes — gasp! — color. If you don't understand that, then I cant explain anything else to you.

As I quite explicitly already said above, that is nowhere and in no way what I am saying. Stop playing straw-man. We're discussing COLOR. Not resolution capabilities which are obviously significantly improved which is among the reasons BD looks VASTLY better than DVD. Your claim was about COLOR saturation (and here I have to take liberty because your claim is actually entirely vague and poorly articulated).

Have fun with your "encoding", but hopefully you never work on any films I'm involved with. For what it's worth, I can play a DVD and a blu-ray side by side, and the blu-ray has better, more vibrant colors. That is a FACT.

No, it isn't. You've never coded HD, you've never worked with HD and SD side by side, and you most certainly don't have any video background.

4:2:0 or not. It;s funny that you are the only person who can't see a difference, but maybe you should stick to DVD since it's just as good?

Of course not. DVD is not nearly even close to as good. You can't answer my question about color, so now you simply shift ignorantly to trying to claim that I said anywhere that DVD and BD are the same universally (which of course they are not.)

Its still 4:2:0 but since the luma res increases so does the color res.

Duh. Exactly as I said before.

So its 1920*1080 with 960*540 (Color)

vs

720*480 with 360*240 (color)

Again, duh. Your point? Spatial resolution doesn't have to do with gamut or color capabilities, which is what we're discussing.

Also the improvment in mastering and encoding also helps.

This is true. But this doesn't have to do with the format itself.

Also, Blu-ray is based on the ATSC standards and DVD is based on NTSC. ATSC uses a different color space (REC709) versus NTSC (REC601) which allows for better color gamut.

Again, this is what I explained above. This doesn't (really) affect what's on the disc. This standard really only comes into play with display choice and display calibration if you have a color management system.

Once again, you have nowhere pointed out ANY place that BD offers improved color capabilities, expanded gamut capabilities, or anything else.

You are also confusing a whole bunch of terms together. 709 and 601 define the matrix coefficients for the Y'CbCr coding. This coding difference is immaterial. 601 does not define a gamut. 709 does define a gamut which is slightly different than the de-facto standard for SD content in the Americas, which is SMPTE C. The slight gamut difference between SMPTE C and 709 is a display difference, not a content difference, and the difference is small. It doesn't have to do with BD versus DVD from a content perspective, and if content is actually mastered with this difference in mind, the BD actually would end up encoded slightly less saturated (on reds) than DVD to appear the same.

[ChrisWiggles]

Originally Posted by retablo

Yes, they are completely relevant. Color space is only as good as its OUTPUT. Whether or not a DVD is encoded with the same color resolution is what's irrelevant, if the DVD format cannot output the same range as Blu-Ray. And it can't based on a number of limitations in the DVD format.

May I get you some toilet paper? That must have been quite an effort to write that paragraph.

Thanks for disregarding the portions of my post that actually back up what I'm saying. I guess it's easier to make a point that way? To ignore the facts?

You mischaracterize, and don't even understand what it is you're trying to say.

Blu-ray is based on the ATSC standards and DVD is based on NTSC. ATSC uses a different color space (REC709) versus NTSC (REC601) which allows for better color gamut.

As I explained, 601 is not really a color space. Can you tell me what the primary chromaticities for Rec 601 are? No. You can't. Because they don't exist.

It's also funny that you keep referenceing NTSC, when NTSC gamut is actually significantly larger than that standardized for BD or DVD.

Gamut is a certain complete subset of colors. The most common usage refers to the subset of colors which can be accurately represented in a given circumstance, such as within a given color space or by a certain output device."

Where did you paste that from?

That means, blu-rays are able to reproduce a higher range of colors (what I've said all along), which results in a larger color patelle and a more vivid colors overall because more color is present.

Except that it doesn't mean that at all, and it doesn't result in that because there is not 'more color' present.

I have asked you repeatedly to explain where this 'more color' comes from. And all you can do is misconstrue the relevance of display gamut, which is actually contrary to your argument, amusingly enough.

And... Its still 4:2:0 but since the luma res increases so does the color res.

You got one thing right, which everyone agrees on: that BD offers more resolution than DVD. Good for you.

Don't quit your day job...

[Mr. Thomsen]

Lol! I think it's clear to everyone here but himself that Retablo is just another armchair expert with no real world experience of the subject at hand.

[The Drugstore]

Just finally got around to ordering this, best price I have seen is from barnes and noble.com. You have to search bn.com for insider and it will find the title that way, its on there site for 14.86 and i had a 15% off coupon, and I did free shipping so it should arrive anyday now. Can't wait to watch it.

[RJ Smoove]

Got this for $12 shipped new on ebay. Looking forward to seeing it. Only saw a tv edited version a few years back.