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Old 05-15-2014, 11:33 AM   #1781
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Think about it. The Song of the South is no worse in its characterizations of non-whites than Peter Pan is. But the American Indian lobby isn't as vocal as the African-American lobby....
Of course they're not. Last time they kicked up a fuss, Whitey killed damn near ALL of them.
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Of course they're not. Last time they kicked up a fuss, Whitey killed damn near ALL of them.
Ouch. Well, comedy is truth and pain. If it weren’t for genocide, we probably wouldn’t be having conversations about the acceptability of the name of the Washington Redskins any more than we would the Baltimore Porch Monkeys.

Yeah, there’s a history of racial insensitivity in Disney films. Them Injuns in Peter Pan are a simpler problem in that they’re *’toons*; the Siamese cats in Lady and the Tramp are toons and *cats*. Caricature is a long-standing tradition in cartooning, but the black folks in SotS are actual human beings.

SotS’s big problem is twofold: not just that the audience is treated to an entirely unrealistic presentation of Reconstruction-era happy singing darkies on the plantation, but that such a portrayal could be so easily created and countenanced eight decades after the fact. Some folks know that James Baskett couldn’t even attend the film’s Atlanta premiere because of segregation laws; far fewer know the horrific story of African-American US Army soldier Isaac Woodard, which reached its (anti)climax the week before SotS's release. That's the big problem in re-releasing SotS...in good conscience, and to be seen as something besides a money grab, it would require a long hard look at the America that produced it.
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Ouch. Well, comedy is truth and pain. If it weren’t for genocide, we probably wouldn’t be having conversations about the acceptability of the name of the Washington Redskins any more than we would the Baltimore Porch Monkeys.

Yeah, there’s a history of racial insensitivity in Disney films. Them Injuns in Peter Pan are a simpler problem in that they’re *’toons*; the Siamese cats in Lady and the Tramp are toons and *cats*. Caricature is a long-standing tradition in cartooning, but the black folks in SotS are actual human beings.

SotS’s big problem is twofold: not just that the audience is treated to an entirely unrealistic presentation of Reconstruction-era happy singing darkies on the plantation, but that such a portrayal could be so easily created and countenanced eight decades after the fact. Some folks know that James Baskett couldn’t even attend the film’s Atlanta premiere because of segregation laws; far fewer know the horrific story of African-American US Army soldier Isaac Woodard, which reached its (anti)climax the week before SotS's release. That's the big problem in re-releasing SotS...in good conscience, and to be seen as something besides a money grab, it would require a long hard look at the America that produced it.
I think some people can't look at the film and see a film. they want to project real life issues and "history lessons" on to it. people who get offended by SOTS have more issues than the film does by a long shot.
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Caricature is a long-standing tradition in cartooning
It's also a long-standing tradition live-action film. Doesn't make it any more right (or wrong, depending on which way you're looking at it). The idea that it's somehow less offensive if it's cartoons is as silly as the idea that written profanity is somehow less offensive if you substitute an asterisk for a vowel.

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but the black folks in SotS are actual human beings.
Well, except for the Tar Baby.
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I think the Bobby Driscoll character's love and admiration for Uncle Remus was commendable as well as his treatment of his black playmate as an equal in the story. Though not an altogether accurate view of the Reconstruction era South I think overall it was a step in the right direction for Disney.
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I think some people can't look at the film and see a film. they want to project real life issues and "history lessons" on to it. people who get offended by SOTS have more issues than the film does by a long shot.
That's a generalization, and it's unfair. If you don't know what it feels like to experience something, you shouldn't jump to such a conclusion about the people who are overly sensitive about that particular thing.
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That's a generalization, and it's unfair. If you don't know what it feels like to experience something, you shouldn't jump to such a conclusion about the people who are overly sensitive about that particular thing.
sensitivity about something is a personal problem, not a societal. Just like the people who scream that we "owe" certain races, or minorities something because of past treatment. we aren't responsible for others treatments in the past, only our own in the present.

in terms of SOTS.... it wasn't a necessity to make it a "12 years a slave" story. we all know the blacks were treated wrongly. Disney was creating a story based in that era that a 6 year old could watch without crying... thus a happy man who tells stories to a child. simple as that.

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