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Old 09-01-2014, 02:11 PM   #601
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Does this carry over all of the extras from the Ultimate Edition DVD?
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Does this carry over all of the extras from the Ultimate Edition DVD?
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We'll never see the actual cut of LEGEND that was screened for the studio with the Goldsmith score. This is completely due to Ridley.
At the time I knew a person very high up in publicity for Universal. He spoke to me the day after seeing that screening. He admitted that version would never be seen again. He went on to say how he had loved the film, but those invited were a different story. They were bored right off and started lighting up joints, laughing and making rude comments. Ridley was there and extremely insecure. He had a melt down and didn't defend his film so the studio took over and told him it needed to be evaluated prior to release. Because Ridley didn't defend the film and the vision he had the studio decided to cut the film and rescore it with a more modern tone. A different version, still cut would be released internationally still with the Goldsmith score.
After it was released on home video I reviewed it for Laserdisc and then discussed it with my friend who had seen the original. He went on stating how beautiful the original Goldsmith score was (which it is) and that the film was much longer. After I had gotten my hands on a Japanese Laserdisc which was the international version I discussed it with my friend and told him how although it had Goldsmith's score a very short cue was actually from PSYCHO II (also Goldsmith). My friend said the international version was really a badly put together version and since Universal had the rights to Psycho II, and score they had it at their disposal to use since the cuts they made left music that didn't fit any longer and they didn't want to waste any more money in the editing room.
A lot of money went into the film and it was already felt it was a bomb, especially here in the states.
He then explained how different it was from what he saw. He told me it started in "our world" then went into the fantasy one, then returned back to ours - those were scenes that would never been shown again.
He went on to say it was a beautiful film that was completely destroyed by the studio, fueled by those who never should have been at the screening, and not defended by Ridley who was, at the time still very unsure of himself and didn't have the power to get what he wanted. Even with the spectacular success of ALIEN he was still new to motion pictures and had to be careful until he had more under his belt to pull weight.
It's too bad I was really looking forward to truly restored edition but I guess my friend was right, we probably not see one ever.
When listening to the Goldsmith score one can tell there is still music not in the film giving a hint to the edits.
Still, there are incredible visual moments equaled with a great score.
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At the time I knew a person very high up in publicity for Universal. He spoke to me the day after seeing that screening. He admitted that version would never be seen again. He went on to say how he had loved the film, but those invited were a different story. They were bored right off and started lighting up joints, laughing and making rude comments. Ridley was there and extremely insecure. He had a melt down and didn't defend his film so the studio took over and told him it needed to be evaluated prior to release.
Scott relays this very anecdote in the documentary.

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It's too bad I was really looking forward to truly restored edition but I guess my friend was right, we probably not see one ever.
The 113-min. "Directors Cut" version IS the version that was screened for that audience in the U.S. by all accounts -- and it's also the version Scott felt worked the best of all the cuts he made of the film. There was a longer version than that, and Goldsmith had scored it (the cues on the soundtrack you're referring to -- one of which is presented in full with surviving workprint footage on the BD), but those edits had been made well out in advance of the movie screening in the U.S.

Frankly I think his 113-min cut is understandably his preferred cut. Though I think it's a much better film than the U.S. theatrical release, the pacing is a bit slow, and I can't see how another 10 or 20 minutes wouldn't have made it worse.

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There's never been anything written about "modern day scenes" produced for this film...between the LEGEND FAQ, all the scripts available, documentaries and the like, that's something that's never been mentioned. Nor would it make any sense given the story in the film. Are you sure your friend wasn't one of the ones lighting up during the film? lol (I kid I kid).

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I just wish David Bennets voice was back in the film. I know Universal hated it but I think it only adds to the craziness of the film.
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Yeah. I've read the original scripts to this film. The first one which was huge in scale and scope where Jack was a green jungle creature and Lily transformed into a monster and actually died. I read the 2nd script that was scaled down in storyand characters where Lily still transforms into a monster but turns back to normal at the end, along with human Jack's skin turning green (again, a scaled down version of the character ideas from the 1st script). And of course the shooting script that has most of the scenes that have since been recovered and restored.

There was never a single instance of real world vs. fantasy world. Whoever thinks that must be thinking of Labyrinth or some other 80's fantasy movie that did that.
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you all need to check this out if you haven't already

http://www.darkrealmfox.com/film_reviews/2011/06/17/hd-comparisons-legend/#comment-256

the directors cut looks SOOOO much better than the theatrical in so many ways. the theatrical looks over sharpened with boosted, clipped contrast, while the DC looks like the subtle detailed fantasy film it was supposed to be, some of the color is a little pale but, given the one and only source you'll hear no complaints from me, each version got the treatment it deserved.

Be advised, they misidentify to two versions on the site: Mouse Off the image actually displays the Director's Cut and Mouse On reveals the Theatrical. Not the reverse, as stated.

But I think everyone spotted this anyway, correctly citing the theatrical as the over-sharpened examples.
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You'll like the director's cut. It fleshes out the character development nicely.
Indeed I did! Finally got a chance to watch the director's cut last week and then again with weekend listening to the director's commentary. As much as I was attached to the Tangerine Dream theatrical score, I must confess, having now seen it with Goldsmith's score, it works very well. I really enjoyed Ridley Scott's commentary and all the practical work and challenges that went into making this movie.

I'm glad to have this one in my library.
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Indeed I did! Finally got a chance to watch the director's cut last week and then again with weekend listening to the director's commentary. As much as I was attached to the Tangerine Dream theatrical score, I must confess, having now seen it with Goldsmith's score, it works very well. I really enjoyed Ridley Scott's commentary and all the practical work and challenges that went into making this movie.

I'm glad to have this one in my library.
I figured you would. Ridley's cut just flows better all around.
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I know this has been out for a while, and there's been discussion about the different transfers, but has anyone noticed the slight audio differences between the Blu-ray's 5.1 track for the US cut and previous versions of the US cut?

In the first scene with Darkness and Blix, just after Darkness's line, "Something troubles me..." the opening motif of the Unicorn theme should be heard, but on the Blu-ray it's completely missing. After that, the transition out of this scene into the one of Lili in the forest sounds much rougher than it had before; the change in ambience is quite sudden, where before it was a much smoother transition.

Those are the only two changes I've noticed, but it makes me wonder what else there is. Small things, to be sure, but like the missing music cue on The Last Starfighter or the missing choral elements in Conan the Barbarian, I can't help wonder what happened.
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I know this has been out for a while, and there's been discussion about the different transfers, but has anyone noticed the slight audio differences between the Blu-ray's 5.1 track for the US cut and previous versions of the US cut?

In the first scene with Darkness and Blix, just after Darkness's line, "Something troubles me..." the opening motif of the Unicorn theme should be heard, but on the Blu-ray it's completely missing. After that, the transition out of this scene into the one of Lili in the forest sounds much rougher than it had before; the change in ambience is quite sudden, where before it was a much smoother transition.

Those are the only two changes I've noticed, but it makes me wonder what else there is. Small things, to be sure, but like the missing music cue on The Last Starfighter or the missing choral elements in Conan the Barbarian, I can't help wonder what happened.
Scott personally supervised the treatment of this BD so I seriously doubt that he would have missed these errors. Then again anything is possible.
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I know this has been out for a while, and there's been discussion about the different transfers, but has anyone noticed the slight audio differences between the Blu-ray's 5.1 track for the US cut and previous versions of the US cut?

In the first scene with Darkness and Blix, just after Darkness's line, "Something troubles me..." the opening motif of the Unicorn theme should be heard, but on the Blu-ray it's completely missing. After that, the transition out of this scene into the one of Lili in the forest sounds much rougher than it had before; the change in ambience is quite sudden, where before it was a much smoother transition.
Someone wrote about it before -- can't recall if it was here or on a different thread/board. There are apparently a number of places where the music is edited differently and/or the dialogue is different in this US theatrical cut transfer (as opposed to the DVD). I think I noticed even the running time is 15-25 seconds off when I compared them myself, but I'm not a big fan of this version to be able to point out the discrepancies.

Of course, Scott DID supervise the disc, so saying this is "wrong" whereas the earlier presentation was "right" may not necessarily be the case. Either way it's odd, you're right -- maybe this came from an earlier print of the US cut before he tinkered with it before release? Wouldn't surprise me, seeing as we know how much this film was tinkered with!

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Scott personally supervised the treatment of this BD so I seriously doubt that he would have missed these errors. Then again anything is possible.
Bob Gale supervised the Back to the Future Blu-ray, yet the end credits are squished. John Landis supervised (or at least approved) The Blues Brothers, yet there's an editing mistake in the theatrical version. Things slip through.

On Legend, my guess is that at the time of release, a six-track sound mix was prepared for 70mm prints (IMDB says it was released in 70mm, but I can't find confirmation anywhere else), and that this mix was what was sourced for the 5.1 on the Blu-ray.

During the 70s and 80s, sometimes there would be differences between the 70mm and 35mm mixes. However, very often, it was the 35mm mix that was considered "final," so if that's the case, I wish Universal had also included the 2-channel mix on the Blu-ray.

It's too bad; other than that I really have no complaints. The theatrical version is a little oversharpened, but at least it's not smothered in DNR like a lot of Universal catalog releases, and the director's cut looks remarkably film-like, and probably as good as it's going to. It's kind of a miracle that we have that version at all, so I'm very happy with the way it's presented.

I've always thought that, if nothing else, the different versions of this film are very educational for editors, showing how much the tone and feel of your film can change during post-production.
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