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Well, I'm a diehard fan of the original. I simply consider this prequel more in the reboot category, in order to not dislike it.
I'm a diehard fan of Carpenter's, and I welcome anything that reminds me of, or makes me think of it. And although I own this new 2011 prequel, I'm well aware that its a run of the mill, slasher flick disguised in a "The Thing" package. Aka, the creature, the title and the location made to tie into Carpenter's version...etc are just a "mask" -

Carpenters The Thing is not just a horror or slasher film. It's got layers. That's called "good writing"; it has a well written script that uses
complex and advanced psychology to communicate hidden narratives. The prequel has none of that.
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A practical effects version is coming out? First I've heard of this, it would be good to see. I know that practical effects were worked on and not used but I'd be surprised if they had been created for the entirety of the film.
There is no all practical effects/non CGI enhanced version of THE THING (2011) coming out. OP was talking about HARBINGER DOWN, a practical creature F/X film currently in production at Amalgamated Dynamics, Inc.

Lance Henricsen stars and so far it definitely looks like something that might be a lot of fun. The trailer is on youtube.
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I like the prequel, but find it wholly unimaginative - it's a scene for scene remake which I found quite disappointing.
The film has a lot of homages to the original but I think describing it as a scene for scene remake is a bit of a stretch. It's not Gus Van Sant's Psycho.
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Well, the 2011 Thing is unquestionably not a re-make of the '82 flick, and IMHO it's not meant even be compared to the original film - it's a prequel. And, sure, the storylines are somewhat similar because both tell the story of an extraterrestrial creature going into an isolated arctic camp & slowly taking everyone over.

IMHO, the 2011 film did a great job of setting up the story & explaining the events that were referenced in the '82 film. I don't think the producer/writer of the 2011 film meant to out-stage the '82 film, or to have the films be compared to each other.

Which film do I prefer? Well, definitely the '82 film - but, I still like the 2011 film; however, I do admit the 2011 film's CGI isn't nearly as effective as the grotesque prosthetics in the '82 film....

Saying one film is better than another is like comparing the original Halloween I & II (1978 & 1981). II takes place immediately after I, and IMHO they should both be viewed as one long film....
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All of this recent action has kept this thread near the top for several days now, and I finally broke down and rented the prequel to see it for myself. The reviews I heard when it was released kept me away, although I have to say that in the beginning of my viewing, I found myself enjoying it.

Until the CGI. I can't apologize. It entirely ruined the movie for me. Roger Corman would've done better. It was just embarrassingly bad. I almost couldn't believe I was watching the finished film and not a storyboarded concept pitch.

Oh Universal, you should've just let KNB run with it. Taken the 'risk' as it were.
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The film has a lot of homages to the original but I think describing it as a scene for scene remake is a bit of a stretch. It's not Gus Van Sant's Psycho.
I'm not describing it as a psycho like remake, that's you. Van Sant did a shot for shot remake. A totally different animal.

But you've got quite a few scenes that are straight up lifted from the 82 film, there's no denying that. And yeah I get it the 82 film didn't end in the alien spaceship but so much from the first film is reused whole cloth.
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Well, the 2011 Thing is unquestionably not a re-make of the '82 flick, and IMHO it's not meant even be compared to the original film - it's a prequel. And, sure, the storylines are somewhat similar because both tell the story of an extraterrestrial creature going into an isolated arctic camp & slowly taking everyone over.

IMHO, the 2011 film did a great job of setting up the story & explaining the events that were referenced in the '82 film. I don't think the producer/writer of the 2011 film meant to out-stage the '82 film, or to have the films be compared to each other.

Which film do I prefer? Well, definitely the '82 film - but, I still like the 2011 film; however, I do admit the 2011 film's CGI isn't nearly as effective as the grotesque prosthetics in the '82 film....

Saying one film is better than another is like comparing the original Halloween I & II (1978 & 1981). II takes place immediately after I, and IMHO they should both be viewed as one long film....
I agree with all of this except the last bit. When viewing for the first time, it is imperative that you watch the '82 version first. Now, if you want to watch the The Thing From Another World first, cool. But the 2011 prequel works, if it works at all, because you already know how things are going to turn out and that creates a certain sense of dread. However, I find it nearly sacrilegious to suggest that the 2011 version should be the version that first introduces an audience to the creature and concepts from the 1982 masterpiece.

That said, if you've already seen them both, then watch them however you want. That's cool.
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I agree with all of this except the last bit. When viewing for the first time, it is imperative that you watch the '82 version first. Now, if you want to watch the The Thing From Another World first, cool. But the 2011 prequel works, if it works at all, because you already know how things are going to turn out and that creates a certain sense of dread. However, I find it nearly sacrilegious to suggest that the 2011 version should be the version that first introduces an audience to the creature and concepts from the 1982 masterpiece.

That said, if you've already seen them both, then watch them however you want. That's cool.
That shouldn't necessarily be the case. I showed my dad the prequel first before the original movie and his reactions were pretty interesting. Because he saw the prequel, he went into the 1982 movie with a big sense of dread because he had already witnessed what this creature could potentially do. But the suspense came from how these "new" characters would react against The Thing after it had already wrecked havoc from the previous movie, as well as how the behavior of the creature has "changed" now that it is moving to another environment and had its ship disabled. As a result, he found the movie very exhilarating despite its age and I think he enjoyed it more as a result of having watched the prequel first.
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That shouldn't necessarily be the case. I showed my dad the prequel first before the original movie and his reactions were pretty interesting. Because he saw the prequel, he went into the 1982 movie with a big sense of dread because he had already witnessed what this creature could potentially do. But the suspense came from how these "new" characters would react against The Thing after it had already wrecked havoc from the previous movie, as well as how the behavior of the creature has "changed" now that it is moving to another environment and had its ship disabled. As a result, he found the movie very exhilarating despite its age and I think he enjoyed it more as a result of having watched the prequel first.
Well, there are no rules of course, and I was only stating an opinion, but the idea of someone new being robbed of the outright shocks of The Thing 1982 by having the prequel set it all up for them still makes me feel sad inside. And I quite enjoy the prequel.

Of course, I'm sure it's all still pretty shocking either way!

I'm a release order purist when it comes to just about everything, I guess.
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That shouldn't necessarily be the case. I showed my dad the prequel first before the original movie and his reactions were pretty interesting. Because he saw the prequel, he went into the 1982 movie with a big sense of dread because he had already witnessed what this creature could potentially do. But the suspense came from how these "new" characters would react against The Thing after it had already wrecked havoc from the previous movie, as well as how the behavior of the creature has "changed" now that it is moving to another environment and had its ship disabled. As a result, he found the movie very exhilarating despite its age and I think he enjoyed it more as a result of having watched the prequel first.
I'm willing to bet that's a result of 82s fantastic cast, as opposed to the "meh" 2011s.
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That shouldn't necessarily be the case. I showed my dad the prequel first before the original movie and his reactions were pretty interesting. Because he saw the prequel, he went into the 1982 movie with a big sense of dread because he had already witnessed what this creature could potentially do. But the suspense came from how these "new" characters would react against The Thing after it had already wrecked havoc from the previous movie, as well as how the behavior of the creature has "changed" now that it is moving to another environment and had its ship disabled. As a result, he found the movie very exhilarating despite its age and I think he enjoyed it more as a result of having watched the prequel first.
Agree 100%. If I were showing these films to someone who hadn't seen either before, I would definitely recommend they watch the 2011 film first, then the '82 film. After that, they could judge which film they preferred more.
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I'm willing to bet that's a result of 82s fantastic cast, as opposed to the "meh" 2011s.
I'm sure that definitely helped.
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That shouldn't necessarily be the case. I showed my dad the prequel first before the original movie and his reactions were pretty interesting. Because he saw the prequel, he went into the 1982 movie with a big sense of dread because he had already witnessed what this creature could potentially do. But the suspense came from how these "new" characters would react against The Thing after it had already wrecked havoc from the previous movie, as well as how the behavior of the creature has "changed" now that it is moving to another environment and had its ship disabled. As a result, he found the movie very exhilarating despite its age and I think he enjoyed it more as a result of having watched the prequel first.
The irony is your dad probably would have thought that the 1982 version was more recent than the prequel

I'd go with watching the original first and then prequel 2nd, too. Reason being is that the original will do a better job of establishing the rules of the film as opposed to the remake which basically tries to recreate the original's rule set. I just thing it's more interesting not knowing anything about The Thing world before you see it.


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The irony is your dad probably would have thought that the 1982 version was more recent than the prequel

I'd go with watching the original first and then prequel 2nd, too. Reason being is that the original will do a better job of establishing the rules of the film as opposed to the remake which basically tries to recreate the original's rule set. I just thing it's more interesting not knowing anything about The Thing world before you see it.


Btw, which do you guys take to a remote island with you, Alien or The Thing?
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Yeah, at this point, i'm thinking The Thing too, but only slighty. The production design of Alien is still unlike anything I have ever seen in a science fiction horror. I do think The Thing has the edge in sheer tension though.
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I'm not describing it as a psycho like remake, that's you. Van Sant did a shot for shot remake. A totally different animal.

But you've got quite a few scenes that are straight up lifted from the 82 film, there's no denying that. And yeah I get it the 82 film didn't end in the alien spaceship but so much from the first film is reused whole cloth.
I agree, something doesn't have to be shot for shot to count as a remake (T2 springs to mind). The Thing '11 is part remake, part prequel and part reboot (a prebootmake?), and it's probably because it's standing on the shoulders of giants that I like it as I do. If it was any other horror franchise I wouldn't give it the time of day, but it retains just enough of that scary-ass CarpenterThing atmosphere and I love the way that it joins certain dots up to the original.
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That shouldn't necessarily be the case. I showed my dad the prequel first before the original movie and his reactions were pretty interesting. Because he saw the prequel, he went into the 1982 movie with a big sense of dread because he had already witnessed what this creature could potentially do. But the suspense came from how these "new" characters would react against The Thing after it had already wrecked havoc from the previous movie, as well as how the behavior of the creature has "changed" now that it is moving to another environment and had its ship disabled. As a result, he found the movie very exhilarating despite its age and I think he enjoyed it more as a result of having watched the prequel first.
But that is the main problem with the 2011 movie, there is no suspense, no build up, or anything. It is just trying to show you as much of the creature as possible. Oh, and figuring out if someone is the creature through fillings in teeth is the dumbest plan ever.
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