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Old 04-27-2016, 09:04 PM   #861
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Yeah, the toys were kind of a joke. They were in fixed poses like what you'd see now with Sideshow Collectibles, but about 1/20 the size.

Blu-ray looks and sounds terrific, and the extras are nice (though I wish they had included the Warwick Davis commentary from the old DVD). Too bad the BD has become harder to come by. It doesn't appear to have been released digitally, either.

I love this movie, but I first saw it at 10, so some of that may be nostalgic fondness It also has a fantastic score by the late James Horner.
Yeah same with me. I was actually 9 going on 10 when I saw this back in the Summer of 1988. That James Horner score is one of my favorites.
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Old 04-27-2016, 09:11 PM   #862
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If the Wikipedia entry is to be believed they were hoping for it to make as much as E.T. did, which did $11 million in its opening weekend, whereas Willow did $8 million. Near 25% off of estimates. It still did well, easily above average, but not a blockbuster.
Cost of $35 mil, gross of $57 mil, but the cost doesn't include marketing, so in no way did it do "easily above average." It was considered a major flop, given the people involved and expectations.
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Old 04-27-2016, 09:13 PM   #863
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Is this still inexplicably OOP?

I wonder if they were banking too much on Val Kilmer's presence. He had a couple of hits, sure, but he was by no means a megastar.
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Old 04-28-2016, 02:08 AM   #864
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Is this still inexplicably OOP?
Not inexplicable at all, the company was sold and the new owners aren't going to push it right back out immediately.
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Old 04-28-2016, 09:58 PM   #865
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So maybe it wasn't a "certainty" to you, but to everyone else, it was expected to be a massive hit
It was expected to be a hit, but it wasn't. 'expectation' doesn't mean 'certainty'.

And George didn't finance it himself because it was expected to be a hit. Also, the fact that there were expectations makes your wording even more ridiculous:

"which, of course, it wasn't."

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Old 04-28-2016, 10:14 PM   #866
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I wonder what it made overseas, because that 57 million is just what it made in North America.
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Old 04-28-2016, 10:19 PM   #867
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I wonder what it made overseas, because that 57 million is just what it made in North America.
Per IMDB:

$57,269,863 (USA)
$4,073,295 (UK) (1989)
AUD 1,862,764 (Australia)
6,576,276 (East Germany) (1989)
SEK 4,411,564 (Sweden)
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Old 04-28-2016, 10:21 PM   #868
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Per IMDB:

$57,269,863 (USA)
$4,073,295 (UK) (1989)
AUD 1,862,764 (Australia)
6,576,276 (East Germany) (1989)
SEK 4,411,564 (Sweden)
Thanks, but that seems preaty incomplete. I know it was the 80's, but seems like there are plenty of movies where the numbers are out there, not so much for this.
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Old 04-29-2016, 12:27 AM   #869
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Overseas returns weren't anywhere near as important back then for a variety of reasons.
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East Germany did not use the Euro in 1989.
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Wow, I had no idea that willow was desirable right now. I was sorting through my blurays and I guess I am lucky, I accidentally bought 2 of them! well I put it up on half.com for $25 and it sold really fast. Thats when I noticed that amazon has it listed up for $84! I guess someone will be happy to get it.
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Old 05-07-2016, 02:39 AM   #872
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Wow, I had no idea that willow was desirable right now. I was sorting through my blurays and I guess I am lucky, I accidentally bought 2 of them! well I put it up on half.com for $25 and it sold really fast. Thats when I noticed that amazon has it listed up for $84! I guess someone will be happy to get it.
I just sold a used copy on ebay that I found for over double what I paid: $33. So you're not insanely off from what the going price is.
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Old 06-22-2016, 03:06 PM   #873
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Not inexplicable at all, the company was sold and the new owners aren't going to push it right back out immediately.
Ahhhhh okay... So when this does resurface, it'll be under Disney I assume?
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Ahhhhh okay... So when this does resurface, it'll be under Disney I assume?
Yes, just about anything under Lucasfilm LTD is going to be a Disney property now. Some exceptions, depending on originating studio rights, but that's the idea.

As to why Willow wasn't a bigger blockbuster, I think two reasons. I loved the movie, still do, but I'll admit it was substantially darker than say, Star Wars. It fell into a bit of a trap, wanting to attract a young audience, but not be a kid's movie. Makes it tough to market, harder to attract and keep an audience.

The second reason was about a month later - the mighty buzzsaw known as Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Yes, you had Doom and the Dip, but that was far more marketable toward kids and had Disney money backing it. Willow simply didn't have much of a chance against it.

Shame, you have two classics in the same year and, if you grew up in that era, you'd have a real contest choosing between the rabbit and the Nelwin.
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I'd show it to a kid, personally. It has some darker moments but nothing super violent or gory to my memory. It's clearly made for kids, and is nowhere near as violent as a good old fashioned Grimm fairy tale.
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:47 AM   #876
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The second reason was about a month later - the mighty buzzsaw known as Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Yes, you had Doom and the Dip, but that was far more marketable toward kids and had Disney money backing it. Willow simply didn't have much of a chance against it.
From what I recall, Willow was already done by the time Roger Rabbit came out. It had over a month head start -- so it was really never directly competing with it -- and was pretty much into secondary theaters by the end of June.

People forget but fantasy movies really did not do well back in the '80s. Ladyhawke, Legend, Krull, Dragonslayer -- pretty sure all of them lost money or did little better than break even at best. Willow at least was profitable and did (much) better than all of those, but it was not the big hit they were expecting with Lucas and Howard involved.

It IS kind of a darkish film, but it was also from a genre that was not nearly as commercially viable as it is today.
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As much of a CGI hater as I am, I have to say medieval fantasy is a genre that really benefits from it. You want big dragons and flying monsters and magic and whatnot and CGI helps sell that a lot, as seen in the Lord of the Rings movies, which truly waited for the right time to happen. I like Willow a lot, and am glad it looks so real and grounded, but it definitely feels limited as a fantasy film, like it couldn't be as fantastical as it wanted to be. Ridley Scott's Legend might be the only one from the 80's that doesn't feel that way to me.

Lord of the Rings was balanced though, used CGI when needed and practical when possible, which is the ideal. The Hobbit went full cartoon, lost that real feeling world and doesn't feel medieval fantasy to me.
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Saw this movie at best buy a month or two back for 15 or so, passed on it in favour of some other titles, decided I would get it some other time. Just today I decided I would see about picking it up. And dear lord these prices are making me hang my head with regret and shame at my decision.
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Old 10-12-2016, 04:31 AM   #879
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This movie needs a re release. Its a great movie, but not a $60 ebay great movie.
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Old 10-12-2016, 04:45 AM   #880
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This movie needs a re release. Its a great movie, but not a $60 ebay great movie.
I couldn't agree more.
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