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Old 04-19-2017, 11:44 AM   #1
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Hello, I recently just purchased an Onkyo NR656 and previously had a Denon s710w. I have had the Onkyo for about a week and so far am not to impressed with it. The volume levels seem to have to be run about 10 notches higher when watching TV and movies. Also, the Denon seemed to have better dialog as well. I am having a hard time getting this Onkyo dialed in as there is much less user customization with it (Also not a fan of the Green LEDS, but not a huge deal). I am considering returning the Onkyo and getting the Denon x1300w, or the Pioneer VSX-101 (owned by Onkyo, but seems to have better satisfaction). I know the Onkyo runs at 100w per channel and the Denon/Pioneer at 80w per channel. The Denon has better room correction software than the other two. I just purchased a set of Fluance AVHTB speakers and Pioneer SP-BS22A-LR atmos add ons. I am replacing a set of Onkyo HT-594 speakers. Any insight would be very helpful,
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Old 04-19-2017, 06:21 PM   #2
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Onkyo used to have a feature called Intellivolume on all of their older AVRs, which allowed you to increase the volume level quite a bit without having to max out the master volume. I was not aware Onkyo had dropped this feature, but maybe they did when they did away with the Audessey Room Correction . I'm a long time Onkyo user, but because of doing away with Audessey, I chose to go with Denon which I love very much, so I would tell you to go with Denon over the Pioneer, mainly because of the Audessey feature . I would not worry at all about how much watt's per channel any of these AVRs put out, as all AVR companies fudge a little in this department . Good Luck on your endeavor, and keep us posted on your purchase .
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Onkyo used to have a feature called Intellivolume on all of their older AVRs, which allowed you to increase the volume level quite a bit without having to max out the master volume. I was not aware Onkyo had dropped this feature, but maybe they did when they did away with the Audessey Room Correction . I'm a long time Onkyo user, but because of doing away with Audessey, I chose to go with Denon which I love very much, so I would tell you to go with Denon over the Pioneer, mainly because of the Audessey feature . I would not worry at all about how much watt's per channel any of these AVRs put out, as all AVR companies fudge a little in this department . Good Luck on your endeavor, and keep us posted on your purchase .
I honestly loved the Denon s710w I had and it had a lot more customization features. I am only upgrading for Dolby Vision and was unaware the s920w was also getting the update. So, now I have narrowed it down between the x1300w and s920w. Now I am torn. The 1300 has better audyssey, but the 920 has more power. At first I didn't consider the 920, but since I read on AVS that it will, I am throwing that into the ring. I am almost 90 percent sure I am returning the Onkyo NR656 and getting a Denon through accessories for less. The difference in price between the 1300 and 920 is very very minimal ($20).
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Old 04-20-2017, 02:44 PM   #4
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Looking at the spec you lose 10 Stereo RMS Power (watts) on the x1300w which is not much and HDMI to HDMI Upconversion. The x1300w you gain Audyssey MultEQ XT which is better than Audyssey MultEQ and a extra year warranty. You have to figure out which things you value more, imo i like x1300w better because of the Audyssey MultEQ XT. Also for reference here is a good read on rms wattage http://www.safeandsoundhq.com/blog/2...-is-overrated/
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Looking at the spec you lose 10 Stereo RMS Power (watts) on the x1300w which is not much and HDMI to HDMI Upconversion. The x1300w you gain Audyssey MultEQ XT which is better than Audyssey MultEQ and a extra year warranty. You have to figure out which things you value more, imo i like x1300w better because of the Audyssey MultEQ XT. Also for reference here is a good read on rms wattage http://www.safeandsoundhq.com/blog/2...-is-overrated/
I have been leaning towards the x1300w over the 920w, just not sure if multieq xt will be make a bigger difference than the extra 10 rms power. Not sure f I mentioned this before but the receiver will be almost exclusively used for movies and generally television watching. Very very rarely music. Not sure if that plays into the difference between the two at all.
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I'm very happy with my Yamaha. They have the best DSPs.
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I'm very happy with my Yamaha. They have the best DSPs.
I really wanted a Yamaha, but the only ones getting the Dolby vision updates are out of my price range. I wanted the aventage Rx-a660, but that's not getting the update per a press release I saw from Europe.
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I have been leaning towards the x1300w over the 920w, just not sure if multieq xt will be make a bigger difference than the extra 10 rms power. Not sure f I mentioned this before but the receiver will be almost exclusively used for movies and generally television watching. Very very rarely music. Not sure if that plays into the difference between the two at all.
The added 10 watt's will not be noticeable at all. The human ear would simply not notice it. The Audyssey Multi EQ-XT will make a considerable difference in audio/room correction. If it were me , I say X1300 without a doubt .
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The added 10 watt's will not be noticeable at all. The human ear would simply not notice it. The Audyssey Multi EQ-XT will make a considerable difference in audio/room correction. If it were me , I say X1300 without a doubt .
I think I've pretty much settled on the x1300w. I briefly tossed the idea around for the x2300w, with the main differences between the two being 80w to 95w, which if not noticeable doesn't matter. The only two things of interest to me would be the isf calibration and the much better looking remote. The dual hdmi outputs won't matter to me as I won't use the zone 2 ever and the 4k upscaling difference seems a mute point as my oled will upscale anyways. Am I missing any differences between the two that would justify a $110 (plus free shipping on the x1300w) price difference on accessories4less?
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