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Old 04-29-2014, 12:25 PM   #81
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Agree that we're extremely fortunate to be getting Wake in Fright in any form at all; if it hadn't been for the fact that the print was found after many years, and the time/money spent by those restoring this, none of us would now be seeing the film.

I honestly don't think the film's PQ is that horrible, but maybe that's just me. And, as has been said, you really don't want it to look too good, considering the type of film this is & the era in which it was made.

Also, I recently watched The French Connection on Blu & though the PQ was better than the DVD, there were still some scenes where it was terrible....So, my guess is that the reason the PQ for some of these older '70's films isn't as good as it could be may have a lot to do with the limitations of the original print...

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Old 04-29-2014, 12:30 PM   #82
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Agree that we're extremely fortunate to be getting Wake in Fright in any form at all; if it hadn't been for the fact that the print was found after many years & the perservence, time, and money spent by those restoring this, none of us would now be seeing the film.

I honestly don't think the film's PQ is that horrible, but maybe that's just me. And, as has been said, you really don't want it to look too good, considering the type of film this is & the era in which it was made.

Also, I recently watched The French Connection on Blu & though the PQ was better than the DVD, there were still some scenes where it was terrible....So, my guess is that the reason the PQ for some of these older '70's films isn't as good as it could be may have a lot to do with the limitations of the original print...
I think it looks terrible, as it looks artificially too good due to it's grain being completely scrubbed away. Couldn't they have found some middle ground ?

I don't really get this "you really don't want it to look too good, considering the type of film this is & the era in which it was made" talk. Texas Chainsaw Massacre has been cleaned up by Don May and still looks grainy and great, and we'll be seeing a upgrade of that this year, so...

Did you watch the re-release of The French Connection? That's the best disc, giving the best presentation considering the films limitations.

I don't think that Wake In Fright looks like it does due to limitations of the original print, but due to drunk and drugged monkeys being at the controls whilst making the master. Thanks to those monkeys, the world has access to this masterpiece. I thank them for that, but not for their sub-par restoration work.
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Old 04-29-2014, 01:19 PM   #83
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Did you watch the re-release of The French Connection? That's the best disc, giving the best presentation considering the films limitations.

I don't think that Wake In Fright looks like it does due to limitations of the original print, but due to drunk and drugged monkeys being at the controls whilst making the master. Thanks to those monkeys, the world has access to this masterpiece. I thank them, but not for their sub-par work.
I honestly don't know which Blu version of TFC I saw; I don't have it in front of me, but it may have been the older version. In any case, it does look better than the regular DVD...

To be honest, I don't have a lot of knowledge/expertise when it comes to the technical work involved in restoring a film. However, I am happy to finally be able to see WIF on home video...

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I think it looks terrible, as it looks artificially too good due to it's grain being completely scrubbed away. Couldn't they have found some middle ground ?

I don't really get this "you really don't want it to look too good, considering the type of film this is & the era in which it was made" talk. Texas Chainsaw Massacre has been cleaned up by Don May and still looks grainy and great, and we'll be seeing a upgrade of that this year, so...

Did you watch the re-release of The French Connection? That's the best disc, giving the best presentation considering the films limitations.

I don't think that Wake In Fright looks like it does due to limitations of the original print, but due to drunk and drugged monkeys being at the controls whilst making the master. Thanks to those monkeys, the world has access to this masterpiece. I thank them for that, but not for their sub-par restoration work.
If you go to 5:30 in the video you can actually see the monkey

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If you go to 5:30 in the video you can actually see the monkey

www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qJWCMJ7qs
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And "It's the first time..."
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I think it looks terrible, as it looks artificially too good due to it's grain being completely scrubbed away. Couldn't they have found some middle ground ?

I don't really get this "you really don't want it to look too good, considering the type of film this is & the era in which it was made" talk. Texas Chainsaw Massacre has been cleaned up by Don May and still looks grainy and great, and we'll be seeing a upgrade of that this year, so...

Did you watch the re-release of The French Connection? That's the best disc, giving the best presentation considering the films limitations.

I don't think that Wake In Fright looks like it does due to limitations of the original print, but due to drunk and drugged monkeys being at the controls whilst making the master. Thanks to those monkeys, the world has access to this masterpiece. I thank them for that, but not for their sub-par restoration work.
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Yes, I'm incredibly glad to have the film in HD. I just wish the tinkering / scrubbing had been more limited, and that we could have gotten a straight scan of that print found in Philadelphia instead. Why do those folks who encode / digitize 35-mm films dislike film grain so much? Or, rather, feel that their viewing public does?
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It's a shame that the finished master is scrubbed to death and that colours in certain scenes are strange. The most striking example for me being the daytime bar scenes. People clearly have rubbery orange faces. This can be seen in the restoration comparison on the Australian discs.



Well, the "orange" part has probably been added in order to emphasize how hot it is in the community where the movie takes place in, very similar to Criterion's release of Do The Right Thing. I don't know if it is approved by the director or the cinematographer as is the case for Criterion's Do The Right Thing, but I would guess that they had some sort of input.

As for the "rubbery" part, the pictures you posted are great, but to me they are still too small to see any difference in grain structure.
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MoC release review is up, and it's so sad to see that this masterpiece is only available in various terrible editions due terrible mastering. I hope the guy who worked on the master has learned from his mistakes, or moved on to another career.

Maybe one day this film will have the release it deserves.
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Interesting. Is the same with all the world releases?
I saw the theatrical DCP and it was scrubbed (and looked terrible), so it's not a blu-ray issue, and I assume any release that uses this restoration as a source will look like this.
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MoC release review is up, and it's so sad to see that this masterpiece is only available in various terrible editions due terrible mastering. I hope the guy who worked on the master has learned from his mistakes, or moved on to another career.

Maybe one day this film will have the release it deserves.
A damn shame and I'm glad that Pro-B has said what needed to be said about this very ugly, very disappointing "restoration effort." Since it's been confirmed that the theatrical DCP also looks like caca, we know that the problems go back to at least the ProRes file that is likely the source for the DCP and Blu-ray and whatever other digital iterations the film might appear in.
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If anyone wants my digital copy of this film for free, pm me. EDIT: GONE
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