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Old 11-29-2017, 07:34 PM   #61
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I would expect we'll see several DV capable UHD BD players at CES, January 2018 and released in April 2018.
Yeah theres no way sony wont have a dv player announced at ces, nobody (but samsung) is going to want to let oppo keep the market all to themselves.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:57 PM   #62
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I'm not sure where you're getting the 4 months thing from, I know that this was announced last January at CES. Unless you're referring to the timescale of the actual DV compatible players coming to market? As I said in the quote, they will have been given plenty of gear by Dolby themselves to test & trigger the DV output, even we mere mortals can buy something like a Murideo signal generator which does that so I doubt that they'd have bothered doing an in-house DV version of their own player. Even the demo clips that were shown to journos recently were played off a USB drive.
It's was just a figure of speech, I pulled it out of a hat but yes I was referring to the timescale for players coming to the market. Everything takes time. They can't afford to be sleeping while other manufacturers are doing research.
Sony must have already their own mock up player/s. If not, we are nearly in DEC how do you think they will be able to design, test and produce a player that works properly in just a couple of months to present it for 2018?
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:33 PM   #63
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It's was just a figure of speech, I pulled it out of a hat but yes I was referring to the timescale for players coming to the market. Everything takes time. They can't afford to be sleeping while other manufacturers are doing research.
Sony must have already their own mock up player/s. If not, we are nearly in DEC how do you think they will be able to design, test and produce a player that works properly in just a couple of months to present it for 2018?
Sure...but you said X800 specifically, I'd say Sony have already left that generation behind. And, as you say, they haven't been doing the TV update for just the last 4 months so they'd have needed to be able to play back test materials before the March 2017 debut of the non-DV (and never will be DV) X800.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:06 AM   #64
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Sure...but you said X800 specifically, I'd say Sony have already left that generation behind. And, as you say, they haven't been doing the TV update for just the last 4 months so they'd have needed to be able to play back test materials before the March 2017 debut of the non-DV (and never will be DV) X800.
Since only part of the player or software needs to be modified for DV it makes perfect sense to use that base. It doesn't mean the final product will still be an x800 but a lot of the design could be reused.

I have no inside knowledge of what Sony is doing in their research and I am sure they keep it closely guarded. What I am sure of is, they would be testing thoroughly with other brands too and even then the end user of the product will find some problem Sony didn't.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:15 AM   #65
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Since only part of the player or software needs to be modified for DV it makes perfect sense to use that base. It doesn't mean the final product will still be an x800 but a lot of the design could be reused.

I have no inside knowledge of what Sony is doing in their research and I am sure they keep it closely guarded. What I am sure of is, they would be testing thoroughly with other brands too and even then the end user of the product will find some problem Sony didn't.
Right, which is what I said in post #46. Aaaaand we're back!
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hdr10+ is basically a dv clone.
Not really. Whereas Geoff better understands HDR10+ (as opposed to Dolby Vision), here
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It's funny though that Sony's current higher-end sets ignore HDR10 metadata anyway, they might well not bother going after HDR10+ compatibility on their TVs for that reason
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As the interop WG of the Ultra HD Forum discovered in their testing at last June’s plugfest with regards to TV behaviors with static metadata, you aside, but some consumers and ‘pro’ reviewers still don’t realize with regards to static metadata ST 2086, MaxFALL, MaxCLL…..

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So any update when Sony's high end sets will get the Dolby Vision firmware update?

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Old 12-16-2017, 04:30 AM   #70
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So any update when Sony's high end sets will get the Dolby Vision firmware update?

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This article is dated NOV 24 so maybe not too long. Yamaha released their own update for receivers that support it just a couple of days ago.

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Old 12-18-2017, 05:38 PM   #72
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Would be great if Sony owners joined the rest (well most, anyways) of us on the Dolby Vision train in January, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about anything reported by John Archer. He's wrong the vast majority of the time.
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Well there's another link here, but not sure what his source is:
http://www.flatpanels.dk/flatforum/v...aad6&start=100
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Well there's another link here, but not sure what his source is:
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Here's another link.......mid to late January 2018

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Very interested to see how sony is handling DV since all LG seems to have the rising blacks issues on some/all DV discs. Might be a LG (Active HDR Enabled?) issue only or just no one can do DV disc correct yet...

Waiting for CES and all news
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News out of CES is confusing.
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News out of CES is confusing.
What do you mean?
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:53 PM   #78
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What do you mean?
All Sony said was the “higher-end models” with X1 Xtreme processors from 2017 were getting it this month at some point. No idea what exact TVs have that or what they meant by that. It’s just very vague to me.

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All Sony said was the “higher-end models” with X1 Xtreme processors from 2017 were getting it this month at some point. No idea what exact TVs have that or what they meant by that. It’s just very vague to me.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/am....co/9o0krycZzI
I believe only these 2017 displays have the x1 extreme 930e 940e Z9D, and A1E.
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I believe only these 2017 displays have the x1 extreme 930e 940e Z9D, and A1E.
Man, that sucks for me. I have the X800E and thought I’d be getting it. My box says it has the processor, but high end only is a bummer.
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