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Old 07-13-2014, 01:43 PM   #1
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On my 4K blu ray player will only the Blu-Ray movies upconvert to 2160 or will the DVD'S also upconvert to 2160 I noticed that only the blu-rays do It not the DVD'S.
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Because DVDs are encoded at 60Hz, they can't be upscaled to 4K 60Hz because it's not supported by the HDMI 1.4 spec used by the Blu-ray player. You'd need a BD player with HDMI 2.0. No, I don't know of any.
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On my 4K blu ray player will only the Blu-Ray movies upconvert to 2160 or will the DVD'S also upconvert to 2160 I noticed that only the blu-rays do It not the DVD'S.
How good do blus look upconverted to 2160p anyway, seriously? Does it make a difference or not really?
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Old 07-13-2014, 04:51 PM   #4
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The guy I just chatted with on bestbuy told that no blu ray player would be able to upconvert the dvds to 2160 resolution only blu rays will upconvert 2160. As far as the picture goes Its super crisp and clear even better then standard HD.
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First of all, you need a 4k TV to see the benefits and second, you'll want the TV to do the upscaling, not the player. Most (if not all) the 4K TV out there do a better job upscaling than any 4k upscaling player, even Oppo. Finally, everything upscales to 4k on a 4k TV, even DVD, and you don't need a 4k Blu-ray player.
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Because DVDs are encoded at 60Hz, they can't be upscaled to 4K 60Hz because it's not supported by the HDMI 1.4 spec used by the Blu-ray player. You'd need a BD player with HDMI 2.0. No, I don't know of any.
Well consider yourself enlightened:
Since Oppo beta FW BDP10X-75-0430B and newer:
7. Added support for the "4Kx2K@50/60Hz" resolution to the BDP-103D/105D (HDMI 1 only, and in YCbCr 4:2:0 format only). The "4Kx2K Output" setting for the BDP-103D/105D is set to "Auto 4K 50/60Hz 4:2:0" by default.
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First of all, you need a 4k TV to see the benefits and second, you'll want the TV to do the upscaling, not the player. Most (if not all) the 4K TV out there do a better job upscaling than any 4k upscaling player, even Oppo. Finally, everything upscales to 4k on a 4k TV, even DVD, and you don't need a 4k Blu-ray player.
Don't agree with this advice entirely. Not all 4K displays offer terrific upscaling. If you pay the money and get the best UDTV's I would agree, but certainly not on the cheaper UDTV's. Nothing changes in this industry, just because its a UDTV doesn't make it great.
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Don't agree with this advice entirely. Not all 4K displays offer terrific upscaling. If you pay the money and get the best UDTV's I would agree, but certainly not on the cheaper UDTV's. Nothing changes in this industry, just because its a UDTV doesn't make it great.
I agree perhaps not on the cheaper UDTVs, but only if it's paired with a not-so-cheap player. Certainly the case with Sony and Samsung 4K TVs though, as those offer excellent upscaling.

But even if the player could upscale better, the difference will be slight at best, and DVDs will upscale not matter what. So that was my real point.

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I agree perhaps not on the cheaper UDTVs, but only if it's paired with a not-so-cheap player. Certainly the case with Sony and Samsung 4K TVs though, as those offer excellent upscaling.

But even if the player could upscale better, the difference will be slight at best, and DVDs will upscale not matter what. So that was my real point.
They do (Samsung/Sony)

Worth still a look back with this particular review, which I also reposted in the Oppo thread. The author does a outstanding job on touching most aspects that are useful to know even with a UDTV.

Test OPPO BDP-103D: The power of Darbee Virtual Presence associated with VRS Clear View! - translated - hdfever.fr - Oct 19th, 2013 - Nicolas Bécuwe

The author used three displays: 2160p Samsung 65X9005A and Sony KD-UE65F9000 and 1080p Sony KDL-55HX950

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Well consider yourself enlightened:
Since Oppo beta FW BDP10X-75-0430B and newer:
7. Added support for the "4Kx2K@50/60Hz" resolution to the BDP-103D/105D (HDMI 1 only, and in YCbCr 4:2:0 format only). The "4Kx2K Output" setting for the BDP-103D/105D is set to "Auto 4K 50/60Hz 4:2:0" by default.
But do they upscale DVDs to 4K/60Hz, that is the question?
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But do they upscale DVDs to 4K/60Hz, that is the question?
All content, so if you want to upscale a old DVD (why?), you could to 2160P@60hz.
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How would you upscale old dvd's to 2160p. I was told that it can't be done
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How would you upscale old dvd's to 2160p. I was told that it can't be done
When asked: does the 2160P@60hz capacity(4Kx2K 103D/105D) allow the player to upscale a 480i@60hz DVD to a UDTV that supports that input?

That's the intent -- also for 1080i/60 Blu-ray content. YCbCr 4:2:0 output only. HDMI 1 only.

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Per a interview with Oppo CTO:
Recently, you told me to be working on a future update, to allow readers Oppo BDP-103D and 105D to be compatible 4K/60 Hz (4:2:0) was this also a recurring demand from owners of these plates? Could you also briefly explain to our readers why the Marvell Qdeo, Oppo BDP-integrated with 103 and BDP-105 does not allow it?

Our product development does not stop once the product has been shipped to customers. After the release of a product, users let us know what they like and what they dislike. Where possible, we try to add enhancements, new features and fix some bugs. Technology has advanced so much that many things are now achievable via firmware updates. Uploading the 4K/60 Hz using a 4:2:0 YCbCr color space is an example.

The BDP-103D and 105D use a BDP-VRS video processor ClearView for 4K upscaling. Working with Silicon Image, we found a way to implement a HDMI 2.0 functionality using a hardware-based HDMI 1.4. This very special function was not a user request, it is the origin of our collaboration with our partners. We saw it as a useful experimental feature.
So in this limited instance, this vendor found a way with a new video processor, but for most 4kx2k players they will only scale to 2160P@30hz such as most Marvall Qdeo implementations.

I don't know if other 4Kx2k players also support DVD24hz, that would also work, but not without some motion judder seen.

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