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Old 06-28-2017, 02:17 PM   #1081
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Yeah, after hearing all this crap I think I'll be ordering direct from Arrow from now on. Have been lucky so far; might not be next time.
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Sometimes you can't even be sure, that you actually GET your pre-order from Amazon. Happened to me with Bayonetta 2 Limited Edition afaik, which I ordered a total of 4 times, so it didn't matter in the end.

It seems Amazon sets the amounts of items available to 10.000 units or something, doesn't matter if the publisher actually told them that they would get as many copies or not. Just let orders roll in.

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Next time, I will order this with zavvi. Zavvi is more trustworthy than this. Sure, they try "buy this rare thing with our Zbox" stunts, but that's rare and they almost never allow orders on stuff that they can't get hold on. Sure, it happens in rare occasions, but whatever.

And hell, I was lucky in this case. If they would have cancelled mine NOW and not this morning and I wouldn't have been curious to check the item again, I would be out of luck and would have to pay scalper prices.
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Old 06-28-2017, 06:08 PM   #1082
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Don't forget that those of us who pre-ordered Phenomena from Arrow paid more and got it delivered later than those who pre-ordered from Amazon.
Yeah, but at least you got it in the end.
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Old 07-03-2017, 12:16 AM   #1083
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It is one of my all time favourites but, hell, I'll be the first to admit it has it's issues
Well yeah, but so do all of Argento's films.

Howarth was heavily criticising Phenomena for unconvincing dialogue whilst waxing lyrical about Deep Red. I'm sorry, but I recently saw Deep Red on the big screen, and that is an extremely dialogue heavy film and very little of that is convincing either.

The opening set piece to Phenomena is stunning and one of the best sequences Argento ever filmed in my opinion. Whilst Howarth was nice enough to say it was a good sequence he also poked fun at the dialogue in the cabin, which again, is something very prevalent throughout even Dario's best films, including Deep Red.

I would also say that the murder sequence involving the stair lift is one of the most visually striking of Argento's 80s output. The lighting is really quite beautiful. Howarth didn't have a positive word to say about it and just waited until after the murder to rage at the usage of Motorhead.

I agree with Howarth about the bee gees line, it's tragic, and I also agree with him that some of the music is out of place, but there's no use pretending dialogue and story was ever the reason we watched Argento. He's a genius visual stylist but he was never particularly great at writing dialogue.

I turned the commentary off before the end. I personally would have liked Arrow to have found someone who actually liked the film to do the audio commentary.
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Old 07-03-2017, 01:01 PM   #1084
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I turned the commentary off before the end. I personally would have liked Arrow to have found someone who actually liked the film to do the audio commentary.
I've listened to the Troy Howarth commentaries on both Bird (which he highly rates) and Phenomena (which he has a love/hate relationship with). The Phenomena track was easily the more interesting of the two as I find it fascinating to listen to someone pointing out perceived faults. His later opinions on Argento's overall career were also fascinating, even if I didn't agree with them. It's a bit surprising that Arrow hired someone who wasn't exactly a huge fan of Phenomena but it was highly entertaining imo.
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Old 07-03-2017, 01:40 PM   #1085
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I've listened to the Troy Howarth commentaries on both Bird (which he highly rates) and Phenomena (which he has a love/hate relationship with). The Phenomena track was easily the more interesting of the two as I find it fascinating to listen to someone pointing out perceived faults. His later opinions on Argento's overall career were also fascinating, even if I didn't agree with them. It's a bit surprising that Arrow hired someone who wasn't exactly a huge fan of Phenomena but it was highly entertaining imo.
I'm quite a big fan of Phenomena myself. I find it really quite strange for a supposed Argento expert to spend most of the running time criticising the story, the dialogue and the performances. You could do the exact same thing with any of Argento's films, with the possible exception of Plumage. The guy clearly knows his stuff but I would have preferred to have listened to the insights of someone who admires Phenomena on some basic level. Howarth doesn't like Phenomena and he simply couldn't mask that dislike during the commentary track.
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Old 07-03-2017, 06:45 PM   #1086
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I'm quite a big fan of Phenomena myself. I find it really quite strange for a supposed Argento expert to spend most of the running time criticising the story, the dialogue and the performances. You could do the exact same thing with any of Argento's films, with the possible exception of Plumage. The guy clearly knows his stuff but I would have preferred to have listened to the insights of someone who admires Phenomena on some basic level. Howarth doesn't like Phenomena and he simply couldn't mask that dislike during the commentary track.
I know. I don't really get the hatred for "Phenomena" either. It's a great, wild and crazy Argento movie starring Jennifer Connelly made during his prime! What's not to like?!
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Old 07-03-2017, 08:20 PM   #1087
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I know. I don't really get the hatred for "Phenomena" either. It's a great, wild and crazy Argento movie starring Jennifer Connelly made during his prime! What's not to like?!
The performances and story are certainly not sophisticated, but if you're going to hold Phenomena to task for those things then you have to apply the same standard to all of Argento's work. Tenebrae is a masterful film in my estimation but if I were to judge it solely on those two things then it would be relegated to the bargain bin, alongside Deep Red and Opera. Now I will concede that Daria Nicolodi is arguably at her worst in Phenomena but that's hardly a surprise given the off-screen turbulence between her and Argento at the time. They were in the midst of a divorce as I understand things. Thankfully she is only a bit player in Phenomena in terms of screen time so it's hardly a massively distracting performance.

But if you're going to discuss Phenomena then you simply have to discuss the sumptuous visuals. Whether it's the lush greens of the Swiss countryside during the opening tracking shot or the stunning macrophotography of the lady birds and bumble bees, there is a seldom a dull moment to be found visually. It all helps to create a really strange and otherworldly atmosphere that I find to be unique in Argento's storied filmography. There so many audacious things going on here that I find it impossible to not appreciate the ingenuity. The extreme close-ups of the all the insects interacting with the cast members are incredibly convincing, as are any of the scenes of Tanga the monkey. It's all just such great fun.

If I would make any changes to Phenomena, then I would take out all of the contemporary rock music and the 'bee gees' line, otherwise I hold Phenomena in very high regard indeed. I'd only watch Tenebrae and Plumage before it.
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I turned the commentary off before the end. I personally would have liked Arrow to have found someone who actually liked the film to do the audio commentary.
It really should not have anything to do with liking the film or not. I have heard several of his tracks so far, and they all have been throwaways.
While having a pleasant voice and an OK delivery, he is an awful choice for any company to hire.

The guy is the emperors new clothes of commentators. An 'expert' in seemingly every genre regardless of his familiarity with it. I have 2 tracks of his to listen to but the first 3-4 I have heard have seriously put me off listening to any others...I know in advance I will learn nothing new. But I will learn many useless personal details and observations.....meh.
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I make it a general rule to only listen to commentary tracks by people who actually worked on the movie and as such have some kind of authority to speak on the subject matter or were around to having gotten a general impression of the making of and behind the scenes of the actual project.

Anyone else, wether it's a critic or a biographer or even fans, easily tend to shift from providing backstory and info (once the wikipedia runs its course) and shifts into a review of the movie, which honestly I dont care what you think of the movie, I'll make up my own mind thank you.

Exception being Roger Ebert's commentary for Dark City which was an illuminating interpretation and appreciation of the filmmaking going on.

Plus I get the impression a lot of these commentaries exist for lack of better extras.
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Old 07-03-2017, 09:49 PM   #1090
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I make it a general rule to only listen to commentary tracks by people who actually worked on the movie and as such have some kind of authority to speak on the subject matter or were around to having gotten a general impression of the making of and behind the scenes of the actual project.

Anyone else, wether it's a critic or a biographer or even fans, easily tend to shift from providing backstory and info (once the wikipedia runs its course) and shifts into a review of the movie, which honestly I dont care what you think of the movie, I'll make up my own mind thank you.

Exception being Roger Ebert's commentary for Dark City which was an illuminating interpretation and appreciation of the filmmaking going on.

Plus I get the impression a lot of these commentaries exist for lack of better extras.
I've learned my lesson.

If I wanted to hear someone trash Phenomena then I'd go on IMDB.
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It really should not have anything to do with liking the film or not. I have heard several of his tracks so far, and they all have been throwaways.
While having a pleasant voice and an OK delivery, he is an awful choice for any company to hire.

The guy is the emperors new clothes of commentators. An 'expert' in seemingly every genre regardless of his familiarity with it. I have 2 tracks of his to listen to but the first 3-4 I have heard have seriously put me off listening to any others...I know in advance I will learn nothing new. But I will learn many useless personal details and observations.....meh.
His Phenomena track told me something that I had never heard before. That the pills down throat shot in Stendhal Syndrome, was originally meant to be shown in Phenomena. That may well have been old news to everyone else but it was the very first time (of my recollection) that I had heard it.
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Old 07-03-2017, 10:48 PM   #1092
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Any news perhaps on a standard edition for this and Bird?
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Howarth is a friendly guy online and has written some sharp, on target reviews for a number of sites. Funnily enough though I didn't like his Bava book at all, for reasons I can't quite elaborate. The text seemed to spin its wheels and wasn't particularly illuminating to me. Maybe (or probably) it's just me.

Arrow are clearly keeping an eye out for specialists and new critical talent. Howarth wrote a two-part book on giallos so that's probably how he got the PHENOMENA gig. I agree it's not the best fit if he dislikes the movie though.

The biggest expert in Italian cult cinema I know is Roberto Curti. I think he contributes to the CALTIKI booklet, and maybe to the disc itself. I remember there was discussion of the disc on his Facebook page. He's a very approachable, friendly guy and his books are second to none. If anyone is ever racking their brains on a question related to Italian cult cinema, ask him. He's been researching the subject for years and I've seen him correct other critics in a friendly fashion with new, illuminating research.

Tim Lucas is a good contributor to the Arrow discs but I'd actually like to see him chat about the subject in an informal manner, possibly in a free-wheeling interview or short documentary. His commentary tracks are carefully written and prepared, but there's something engaging about off-the-cuff discussion as well.

Amusingly, both Howarth and Lucas - both who have written Bava books - appear as contributors on some of the recent or upcoming Bava discs - one release has a dual commentary, I think - but I suspect it's unlikely you'll see the pair match up for a joint commentary ala Jones and Newman. Since I'm on the subject, Tim's Bava book needs a reprint, preferably as a multi-volume set. The one volume edition is a backbreaker and way too uncomfortable to deal with. It's about the size (or bigger) of three of the Stephen Thrower Franco volumes, and they're no slouch. He could even split it up into solo volumes on each film.

Mirek Lipinski has a great-looking volume on Paul Naschy out in a couple of months. He'd be an excellent contributor if Arrow ever went the Naschy route. Robert Monell would also be a great choice to talk about Franco, ditto Thrower, you could put both of them on a Franco title and learn a lot about the film.

If Arrow ever get around to releasing the nastier Nikkatsu pink titles in the US (just a suggestion), Melbourne director Mark Savage could talk about them for hours. In fact, he'd never shut up about them.
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Is this the same as the old release
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