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Old 11-08-2017, 04:01 AM   #21
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Akira’s Japanese 192khz 24bit 5.1 remaster on Blu Ray is one of the most immerssive tracks on Blu Ray yet (the original soundtrack was 4:2:4 or Dolby Stereo)
its not only immersive, but the dynamic range is extremely wide
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its not only immersive, but the dynamic range is extremely wide
I forgot that, thank you.
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:24 AM   #23
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Digital *recording* or digital *exhibition*? They're not the same thing. Fantasia was re-recorded in 1982 via digital means. The first film exhibited with digital sound was Batman Returns in 1992 via the Dolby Digital system.
Many titles were exhibited in the CDS digital format years before Dolby Digital was introduced. I definitely remember Dick Tracy, The Doors and Terminator 2 among others
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Many titles were exhibited in the CDS digital format years before Dolby Digital was introduced. I definitely remember Dick Tracy, The Doors and Terminator 2 among others
Terminator 2 in CDS was a juggernaut of a sound mix.
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Top Gun was 1986 which was Dolby Surround, with the DTS on the DVD it was a major jump over Dolby Digital. DTS-MA 6.1 channels was a huge upgrade over the DTS on the DVD.

"Your intellect may be confused," Roger Ebert once wrote, "but your emotions will never lie to you." Physical media forever! When UHD Blu-ray comes lay of the DNR! TCM OAR
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I thought the job done for the Tora! Tora! Tora! Blu-ray was very good. The film had a 6-track 70mm mix, and 4-track for 35mm along with Mono optical. Any mix that faithfully adheres to the original intent would be my personal goal, but I'm not opposed to newer mixes that are well done, especially when an original option is also included.
Home video releases with directional dialogue, sound effects, and full stereo music tracks get high praise from me. A couple that come to mind are The Robe, Demetrius and the Gladiators and Silk Stockings, though these older films did not use the surround channels as they do today. Some of these older titles lose the 4/6-tracks when released by the second tier labels, one being Compulsion, which has the better track on the studio DVD.
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After doing research, it turns out a good even great remix can be done with original stems and/or original sound mixers that were from the original production. Then again, there is a difference between aged production and a well crafted sound mix with what you use to bring it to modern standards.
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The problem is the need the studios feel to do an all encompassing near-field mix for home video with reduced dynamic range, something that will sound equally well on TV speakers and the average home theater sound system.

Some theatrical mixes have slipped out as far as I can tell, which is that they just don't sound like most mixes. Logan's Run is one. Some, well at least one, have intentionally been released with the actual wide dynamic range theatrical mix: The Game from Criterion, but that title is outside (1997) your original query.
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The problem is the need the studios feel to do an all encompassing near-field mix for home video with reduced dynamic range, something that will sound equally well on TV speakers and the average home theater sound system.

Some theatrical mixes have slipped out as far as I can tell, which is that they just don't sound like most mixes. Logan's Run is one. Some, well at least one, have intentionally been released with the actual wide dynamic range theatrical mix: The Game from Criterion, but that title is outside (1997) your original query.
sadly this seems to a trend on Disney's new UHD releases, the compression and dynamic range on the Dolby Atmos track seem way dialed down when compared to the theatrical mixes. I think the only time when studios namely Universal literally laid down the theatrical mix onto home video, was for the DTS laserdisc editions: 'Dante's Peak' is ear splitting, 'Casper' was a circus of sound, 'Dragonheart' was just majestic, 'Jurassic Park' was aurally scary sounding.
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sadly this seems to a trend on Disney's new UHD releases, the compression and dynamic range on the Dolby Atmos track seem way dialed down when compared to the theatrical mixes. I think the only time when studios namely Universal literally laid down the theatrical mix onto home video, was for the DTS laserdisc editions: 'Dante's Peak' is ear splitting, 'Casper' was a circus of sound, 'Dragonheart' was just majestic, 'Jurassic Park' was aurally scary sounding.
Yeah, I didn't see that coming with Blu-ray either. I was an LD collector, and loved a lot of the sound on those releases, but sold a lot of that stuff in the early 2000s. Even a bunch of the Dolby tracks on LD had more dynamic range than the Blu-ray releases. When I first heard about lossless sound on HD disc I thought great, the soundtracks will sound even better, but the powers that be always shoot for the lowest common denominator. Those that care about, and notice, the compromises of the compressed tracks are SOL while all the others don't notice, or would care if it was pointed out, so I wonder why it's so important for the studios to pay for a different track?
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Many titles were exhibited in the CDS digital format years before Dolby Digital was introduced. I definitely remember Dick Tracy, The Doors and Terminator 2 among others
Only nine movies used CDS.

CDS came and went pretty quickly because it wasn't backwards compatible with older equipment. Dolby Digital & DTS didn't have that drawback.
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Sadly there is no perfection when it comes to technology. Audio or Visual
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When we say remix, are we discussing the best remix that is faithful to the original sound design or a remix that takes advantage of newer technology and additional sound channels?

if it's the latter, I chose the 40th Anniversary edition of the Texas Chain Saw Massacre, I was really impressed with the directional effects in all 7 speakers during my viewing of it (even if it felt a bit gimmicky)
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When we say remix, are we discussing the best remix that is faithful to the original sound design or a remix that takes advantage of newer technology and additional sound channels?

if it's the latter, I chose the 40th Anniversary edition of the Texas Chain Saw Massacre, I was really impressed with the directional effects in all 7 speakers during my viewing of it (even if it felt a bit gimmicky)
Probably both. I'm more interested in adhering to the original soundtrack, but I'm not against new/modern mixes as long as the release contains the options. Older multi-channel films have mono surrounds, so the "original" mix should reflect that. Also, if you claim an original mono track, don't mix down the newer 5.1.
If the original mix had panned dialogue and effects then that's what should be done, or replicated. If the film was released in Dolby Stereo (4-2-4) that should be an option. You would need a good Dolby matrix chip in your processor or receiver, but I don't think newer ones have them anymore.
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Scarface (de Palma)'s remix is excellent. Gunshots are breathtaking, and even the music sounds like they remixed it from the original stems. And the disc also had the original mix so you could compare the differences, or simply if you are a purist.
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