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Old 02-10-2015, 12:27 PM   #981
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as i said at the bare minimum the review needs to be updated to mention the problem.

considering I've watched hundreds of blu-rays on my set up and have never experienced such an issue i'd say the problem is the disc.

the fact that my player is a ps3 slim running the latest update and still chocked on the bitstream audio is pretty inexcusable on Sony's part.

Years after the release and still no fix? wow.
And yet people can playback the disc fine on other setups, all the discs are mastered the same. Its an issue with Dolby TrueHD and how the device handles it. There are other factors here as well, like the way the disc is authored, again, different devices will differ. There are a few titles (Star Trek - Into Darkness within the Compendium pack) which also includes a TrueHD track, also suffers the same fate, depending on the device and where the decoding is happening.

But because this isn't an issue affecting all users, its unlikely that we will see any kind of replacement disc.

PS3's have problems with Dolby TrueHD tracks, it is a known issue that has yet to be resolved.

i.e. no support for TrueHD 7.1 tracks on 3D films, it will only playback the lossy DD embedded track.
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The strange thing is that they’re both Sony products, right? It would make more sense if the problem occurred with Microsoft gaming machines.
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Old 02-10-2015, 01:48 PM   #983
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The strange thing is that they’re both Sony products, right? It would make more sense if the problem occurred with Microsoft gaming machines.
That's the irony Memphis.
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And yet people can playback the disc fine on other setups, all the discs are mastered the same. Its an issue with Dolby TrueHD and how the device handles it. There are other factors here as well, like the way the disc is authored, again, different devices will differ. There are a few titles (Star Trek - Into Darkness within the Compendium pack) which also includes a TrueHD track, also suffers the same fate, depending on the device and where the decoding is happening.

But because this isn't an issue affecting all users, its unlikely that we will see any kind of replacement disc.

PS3's have problems with Dolby TrueHD tracks, it is a known issue that has yet to be resolved.

i.e. no support for TrueHD 7.1 tracks on 3D films, it will only playback the lossy DD embedded track.
well I've never encountered such a problematic blu-ray. even the "fix" of switching to LPCM doesn't work for me. (the audio drops out and only returns if i forward or reverse). If there was just a couple of drop outs it might still be watchable, but doing that every few minutes is more infuriating then any joy I'll receive from watching the film.

Back to my original point. I hope Blu-Ray.com can at the very least CLEARLY warn it's readers of the issue in the review. IMO the AUDIO score should definitely be lowered to account for this. PS3 units surely make a very sizeable proportion of blu-ray players out there, and the fact that Sony can't even get their own player to properly play their own disc is pretty disgraceful.
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well I've never encountered such a problematic blu-ray. even the "fix" of switching to LPCM doesn't work for me. (the audio drops out and only returns if i forward or reverse). If there was just a couple of drop outs it might still be watchable, but doing that every few minutes is more infuriating then any joy I'll receive from watching the film.

Back to my original point. I hope Blu-Ray.com can at the very least CLEARLY warn it's readers of the issue in the review. IMO the AUDIO score should definitely be lowered to account for this. PS3 units surely make a very sizeable proportion of blu-ray players out there, and the fact that Sony can't even get their own player to properly play their own disc is pretty disgraceful.
I agree with you about how Sony should get it's act together, and perhaps a note in the review would be warranted; but I'm not sure about how "sizeable (a) proportion" PS3 units make up around here - or I'm sure the site would cater more to them. This is a Blu-ray site for Blu-ray aficionados and I'm pretty sure that most folks around here have at least one actual Blu-ray player. If you wanna enjoy the BD experience, get a BD player and let your PS3 rest up for gaming sessions (or check PS3 sites). After becoming a member here, I learned from posters and ran up my credit card debt to buy an Oppo. I have never had trouble with any disc problems (knock on my wooden head ) and I've never regretted spending the money. Oppo rocks!!!
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cnet has recommended the PS3 for years as one of the best blu-ray players out there. Even for 2015 it still makes their list:

http://www.cnet.com/topics/blu-ray-p...u-ray-players/

I agree it's not an Oppo, but i imagine most users don't have an Oppo. I suppose there's no way to really know what the #'s are, but one of the major reasons blu-ray won the format war was because of the PS3, so I would imagine it still accounts for a fairly significant number of players being used.

I actually have 3 PS3's and one (old) samsung dual format (BD & HDDVD) player. I've considered an Oppo, but the price hike doesn't really make sense in terms of what I would gain from it.

If there's a cheap player that handles these problematic discs better i might consider picking one up. Open to recommendations.
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cnet has recommended the PS3 for years as one of the best blu-ray players out there. Even for 2015 it still makes their list:

http://www.cnet.com/topics/blu-ray-p...u-ray-players/

I agree it's not an Oppo, but i imagine most users don't have an Oppo. I suppose there's no way to really know what the #'s are, but one of the major reasons blu-ray won the format war was because of the PS3, so I would imagine it still accounts for a fairly high number of players being used.
Yet they included a Samsung player as their number 2 choice. It's things like this that make me take cnet's opinion with a grain of salt.
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Yet they included a Samsung player as their number 2 choice. It's thing like this that make me take cnet's opinion with a grain of salt.
You need to take Cnet with a whole OCEAN of salt. their views on quality is astounding sometimes
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Yeah, I figured that out during the format war in 2007.
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After becoming a member here, I learned from posters and ran up my credit card debt to buy an Oppo. I have never had trouble with any disc problems (knock on my wooden head ) and I've never regretted spending the money. Oppo rocks!!!
The Oppo 83 & 93 both have the MediaTek chipset that causes the TrueHD streaming issue.


There is no problem with TrueHD and the PS3 other than 3D.
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The Oppo 83 & 93 both have the MediaTek chipset that causes the TrueHD streaming issue.


There is no problem with TrueHD and the PS3 other than 3D.
my PS3 has the glitch. happens on all the 7.1 TrueHD mixes that have issues
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You need to take Cnet with a whole OCEAN of salt. their views on quality is astounding sometimes
CNET is owned by CBS. Remember the big flap when CNET nominated The Hopper and Sling as best in show at the CES a couple of years ago by the editorial staff and then had to yank their vote because CBS was suing DISH over the Hopper. Yeah, real impartial.
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i didn't mean to imply cnet is THE resource for blu-ray player reviews (but i do think their lists are respectable in terms of value and bang for buck) The larger point being they do reach a wide audience and the fact that they've lauded the ps3 as a strong blu-ray player over a number of years would most likely indicate that it's one of the most popular players out there.

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cnet has recommended the PS3 for years as one of the best blu-ray players out there. Even for 2015 it still makes their list:

http://www.cnet.com/topics/blu-ray-p...u-ray-players/

I agree it's not an Oppo, but i imagine most users don't have an Oppo. I suppose there's no way to really know what the #'s are, but one of the major reasons blu-ray won the format war was because of the PS3, so I would imagine it still accounts for a fairly significant number of players being used.

I actually have 3 PS3's and one (old) samsung dual format (BD & HDDVD) player. I've considered an Oppo, but the price hike doesn't really make sense in terms of what I would gain from it.

If there's a cheap player that handles these problematic discs better i might consider picking one up. Open to recommendations.
I’ve never had a PS3, so I wouldn’t know and shouldn’t criticize. I did have a Samsung 5700 before I got the Oppo - gave it to my mother. I didn’t notice any slowdown when I switched, but, totally different model, so who can say … Anyway, good luck with your other BDs, Sony definitively should get its shit together. Meanwhile, I’m gonna go hug my Oppo (even if it is region retarded).

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The Oppo 83 & 93 both have the MediaTek chipset that causes the TrueHD streaming issue.
There is no problem with TrueHD and the PS3 other than 3D.
I’ve got a 103, so maybe I got lucky on the timing (again, knock on my wooden head ).
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I’ve got a 103, so maybe I got lucky on the timing (again, knock on my wooden head ).

I have the 103D, both units use a different chipset so there's no issue.
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my PS3 has the glitch. happens on all the 7.1 TrueHD mixes that have issues
Bitstream or internally decoded?


I have the "fat" PS3 with internal decoding to PCM, no issue.
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I have the 103D, both units use a different chipset so there's no issue.
I wanted to get the "D", but money was tight and I couldn't get any firm opinion as to if it was worth it. What do you think - noticeable?

The differences shown in this review are actually hard to believe:

http://hometheaterreview.com/oppo-bd...reviewed/#Oppo BDP-103D Darbee Visual Presence Comparison
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I never had problems with BDs on the PS3, but DVDs look like crap on it compared to my standalone player.
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I never had problems with BDs on the PS3, but DVDs look like crap on it compared to my standalone player.
Yeah, I never watch my DVDs (even the ones only on DVD); in fact, I've been rather mindlessly upgrading them, figuring the BDs just gotta be better. Anyway, I just bought the Maverick, Season 1 set and I'm simply amazed at how good it looks - never seen these episodes look so purdy.
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I never had problems with BDs on the PS3, but DVDs look like crap on it compared to my standalone player.
I noticed that too. However, I recently realized that my panny standalone no longer really plays vudu. I mean it plays but the contrast is shot and blacks are light gray. Anyway, vudu looks beautiful via the PS3.

I only experienced a skip at the piano part on my panny which still plays blus fine. Don't mind this movie one bit.
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