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Old 05-06-2008, 04:30 PM   #1
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The Dark Knight Rises is an upcoming American superhero film under the development of Christopher Nolan, David S. Goyer, and Jonathan Nolan.[1] Based on the DC Comics character Batman, the film will be the third and final installment in Nolan's Batman film series. The film is scheduled for release in the United States and Canada on July 20, 2012, by Warner Bros.
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When will they bring Scarecrow back? He disappeared at the end of the first movie, and he is my favorite batman villain! He is already established in this story arc, and is ready to go if they will just write him in.
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When will they bring Scarecrow back? He disappeared at the end of the first movie, and he is my favorite batman villain! He is already established in this story arc, and is ready to go if they will just write him in.
He's in The Dark Knight. In fact, he's in that new trailer. The part where Batman lands on the movie vehicle from above. Some nerds at Bat-forums across the net did a freeze-frame and cranked the brightness and sure enough the driver has a burlap mask. Plus there are leaked pictures of Murphy on the set.
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I was kind of wondering about Scarecrow myself. I'd really like to see Bane sometime. I thought he was a good villain. In the comics, not Batman and Robin, of course.

Whatever happened to that dude anyway?
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I think they should stick with the 1 villain ( and hint at the next ) formula.

I'm still not sure Two-Face can carry one of these Nolan Batman films, but we'll see. I think The Riddler could though....

I'd much prefer to see a newer up to date version of The Riddler, Catwoman, Penguin and/or The Mad Hatter or The Clayfaces instead of Two-Face.

Just please tell me they will get some villains that have never been on screen before in the other Batman films...please tell me that.

The Mad Hatter
Killer Kroc
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The first one had more than one villain. It had Falcone, fake Ra's Al Ghul, real Ra's Al Ghul, and Scarecrow...with a little bit of underhanded dealing by the CEO Earle. As for the villains you mention, some of them aren't possible in Nolan's universe, like Killer Croc, Clayface, and Man Bat.
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I love the Riddler. Nolan could truly match wits against wits (with a pure vengeful dark evil kind of a twist). And by outsmarting Batman, really cause some heartache throughout Gotham for everyone, especially Bruce Wayne. But who could be cast to play such a Riddler?

Jim Carrey was way over the top. There doesn't need to be a comedic presence on stage. Just a intelligent arrogance to be the Riddler.
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If they can pull Sandman off in Spiderman..as well as Venom...I'm more than sure they can pull of Killer Croc and The Clayfaces ( basically just like Sandman )...hell the creature in Jeepers Creepers isn't very different than what the Man-Bat would look like.

As long as he sticks to the same atmosphere..and keeps things serious..I think Nolan could do wonders with the Batman universe.
Nolan will not do freaks like that. They have to be humans rather than creatures. It's not a question of visually not being able to pull it off, that's what CGI is for. It's a question of the character fitting into Nolan's more realistic universe. The Joker doesn't have permawhite skin in TDK (as far as we know...there could be a plot twist with this), but the entire reason he didn't give him permawhite skin is that if someone was dropped in a vat of chemicals there is no question they would die.
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There doesn't need to be a comedic presence on stage. Just a intelligent arrogance to be the Riddler.
Jeremy Irons, though he may be a bit "old" for Nolan's Batman world.
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The Riddler would be badass in Nolan's universe. Jim Carrey and Schumacher completely screwed the pooch on that character. Same goes for Two-Face, which is why I am ecstatic that Nolan is re-doing him as well as the Joker (Jack was good but not good enough). Anyone who has seen Batman: The Animated Series knows that the goofy, campy Riddler shown on the old Adam West TV show and Batman Forever is not the best version of the character. You can make him a dark character, an intellectual that is incredibly dangerous. As someone mentioned on a Bat-forum recently, the Riddler has come closer to killing Batman than any other villain. Whereas the Joker views his relationship with Batman as a yin and yang where it's perpetually going on like a game, the Riddler actually wants to kill him.

The other thing, imagine the viral marketing. It already kicks ass with the Joker, but imagine it with the Riddler! Holy crap, I think the fanboys would just about kill themselves trying to figure out some of the stuff you could come up with for a Riddler viral campaign.
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As someone mentioned on a Bat-forum recently, the Riddler has come closer to killing Batman than any other villain.
Realistically (and yet hypothetically). This Riddler vs. Batman movie could be even darker/Creepier. It would be similar to the Detective Comics Batman. He's not the Riddler because it's fun and jovial, he's the Riddler because he's the most intelligent being in the world and no one, not even the great Batman can keep up with his destructiveness.

Jeremy Irons sounds like a decent candidate, but I agree, age is a big factor. How about Sean Bean or William Fichtner, or Hugo Weaving, Timothy Olyphant.
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Jeremy Irons sounds like a decent candidate, but I agree, age is a big factor. How about Sean Bean or William Fichtner, or Hugo Weaving, Timothy Olyphant.
Here's my thoughts:
Sean Bean: Love him, but I don't find him "arrogant" and thus don't think he'd make a good Riddler
William Fichtner: He's already the bank manager in The Dark Knight so it's out of the question.
Hugo Weaving: I could see this choice working well
Timothy Olyphant: I found him rather boring in Die Hard 4, and didn't think he is all that great as an actor. I think he would be outclassed by Bale, Caine, & Eckhart (and Freeman, if Fox's character is back in part 3).
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Look you guys are OK for wanting this villian or that villian. In some cases I would mind seeing the Mad Hatter or someone like that in the movies. In fact I think Nolan's versions on Batman are the only ones worthy of anything. Burton's movies were entertaining for their time, but there was little that followed the comics. That is what is important to me.

Christopher Nolan was influenced by Batman:The Long Halloween and Batman Dark Victory comics series when he created these movies. A LOT of the script was written around those and he has kept pretty spot on with them. Harvey Dent/Two-face plays an enormous role in these series especially the Long Halloween.

I am not saying anyone is wrong for wanting what they want, but there is a purpose for his doing. He is not going to make Killer-Kroc just because, there has to be some meaning. That is why the other Batman movies ****ing blew.
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Here's my thoughts:
Sean Bean: Love him, but I don't find him "arrogant" and thus don't think he'd make a good Riddler
William Fichtner: He's already the bank manager in The Dark Knight so it's out of the question.
Hugo Weaving: I could see this choice working well
Timothy Olyphant: I found him rather boring in Die Hard 4, and didn't think he is all that great as an actor. I think he would be outclassed by Bale, Caine, & Eckhart (and Freeman, if Fox's character is back in part 3).
After I wrote Hugo Weaving, I smirked. I think he could do a dark version of the Riddler well.
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Realistically (and yet hypothetically). This Riddler vs. Batman movie could be even darker/Creepier. It would be similar to the Detective Comics Batman. He's not the Riddler because it's fun and jovial, he's the Riddler because he's the most intelligent being in the world and no one, not even the great Batman can keep up with his destructiveness.

Jeremy Irons sounds like a decent candidate, but I agree, age is a big factor. How about Sean Bean or William Fichtner, or Hugo Weaving, Timothy Olyphant.
Anthony Michael Hall is in The Dark Knight. He plays a reporter, but I have a feeling he might turn into the Riddler at some point. He seems like a great fit for the part.
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I am not saying anyone is wrong for wanting what they want, but there is a purpose for his doing. He is not going to make Killer-Kroc just because, there has to be some meaning. That is why the other Batman movies ****ing blew.
I agree 100%. In fact, it would not surprise me at all if Nolan just sticks to Two-Face's arc.

Early word is that Two Face is more of a vigilante in the last act of The Dark Knight. Film #3 could focus on Two-Face's descent from vigilante (i.e. trying to get justice, just doing it the "wrong way") to full-fledged criminal. This provides some great contrast to Batman , especially once Batman makes the choice/realization that Two Face must be brought to justice (even though Two-Face has been "wronged") because he's become too great a threat to stability/justice.

Film #1: Creation of Batman. Batman makes his choice and starts "escalation" with the criminals.
Film #2: Escalation. Joker runs wild and Two-Face is created in the mess. Gotham in chaos. Batman questions his role in all of this.
Films #3: Resolution: Two Face takes over the criminal element in Gotham and reorganizes it among the chaos started by the Joker. Batman restores order by bringing Two-Face to justice. This completes the arc.

I could easily see the above being the Nolan Trilogy.
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Anthony Michael Hall is in The Dark Knight. He plays a reporter, but I have a feeling he might turn into the Riddler at some point. He seems like a great fit for the part.
Eh maybe. What maybe batman blows off an interview and sets off the riddler?
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Eh maybe. What maybe batman blows off an interview and sets off the riddler?
No, he's obsessed with Bruce Wayne and very jealous of him.
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Here's my thoughts:
Sean Bean: Love him, but I don't find him "arrogant" and thus don't think he'd make a good Riddler
William Fichtner: He's already the bank manager in The Dark Knight so it's out of the question.
Hugo Weaving: I could see this choice working well
Timothy Olyphant: I found him rather boring in Die Hard 4, and didn't think he is all that great as an actor. I think he would be outclassed by Bale, Caine, & Eckhart (and Freeman, if Fox's character is back in part 3).
I could see it being Guy Pearce--great actor and obviously Nolan likes him. I am also in favor of anything that would put Ed Norton in a Nolan movie, although I wonder how they would work behind the scenes.
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