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Old Yesterday, 02:56 PM   #4001
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I don't think anyone said that the 5.1 was the original, and the shortcomings of the 2.0 mix have been noted by others upthread (rumours abound that it actually IS the Laserdisc master because Warners had no better elements, and bear in mind that the LD mix itself wasn't regarded as one of the great audio experiences).
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I don't think anyone said that the 5.1 was the original, and the shortcomings of the 2.0 mix have been noted by others upthread (rumours abound that it actually IS the Laserdisc master because Warners had no better elements, and bear in mind that the LD mix itself wasn't regarded as one of the great audio experiences).
I was told it had the original audio, period. I wasn't told that it had the 5.1 new soundtrack and the 2.0 was the original theatrical audio. So if I want to give MY impressions of the audio on S1, I can. If you didn't like my post because you thought, since someone else didn't like the audio you didn't need to give your opinions too, then too bad. I will continue to express my positive or negative comments about the quality of blurays I spend my money on when I see fit while showing respect to others when showed equal respect, until the moderators change this site so as only one comment per bluray is allowed.
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I was told it had the original audio, period. I wasn't told that it had the 5.1 new soundtrack and the 2.0 was the original theatrical audio. So if I want to give MY impressions of the audio on S1, I can. If you didn't like my post because you thought, since someone else didn't like the audio you didn't need to give your opinions too, then too bad. I will continue to express my positive or negative comments about the quality of blurays I spend my money on when I see fit while showing respect to others when showed equal respect, until the moderators change this site so as only one comment per bluray is allowed.
Wow, maybe you should take a breath before you dive off a cliff, doover. Not one single word in Geoff's post was critical of you or what you said - in fact, for Geoff, it was rather tame. The forums exist for an exchange of views, if you can't handle anything other than subservient devotion, perhaps you shouldn't post at all.
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Old Yesterday, 06:04 PM   #4004
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Superman Returns should be released with a proper remaster and colour corrected. I attempted my own version on photoshop -

1. Corrected to look more dynamic and film-like. Maybe the contrast is a bit higher.

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2. Original

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The Bluray colours are not only dull, they lack proper contrast, sharpness and is overalll a flat image. Very unlike the golden hues the golden hues that Newton Thomas Siegel created for the movie, as seen in the return to Krypton scene, which has a crisp image quality. The whole movie should be like that. Come on Warner, its almost 10 years. Time to give us a faithful transfer of the movie.
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You need to make the Reds much brighter. They still look Brown.
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I saw the movie a couple of times theatrically and it NEVER looked like your 'remaster', Riddhi. If that timing is what Singer wanted, then that's what Singer got. If the Return to Krypton scene looks comparatively sharper it's because it's been freshly encoded, unlike the bit-starved HD DVD encode of the main movie which has been wheeled out by Warners for years.
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Old Yesterday, 07:15 PM   #4007
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You need to make the Reds much brighter. They still look Brown.
Hmm. But I like this look myself. Makes it look like older photochemical timing.
[EDIT]: Oh, you mean the red cape and 'S'? That'll involve a more complex re-colouring process than simple tonal variations, which is what I did here.

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I saw the movie a couple of times theatrically and it NEVER looked like your 'remaster', Riddhi. If that timing is what Singer wanted, then that's what Singer got. If the Return to Krypton scene looks comparatively sharper it's because it's been freshly encoded, unlike the bit-starved HD DVD encode of the main movie which has been wheeled out by Warners for years.
The fresh encode does not just have a higher encode, its considerably brighter and crisper, like a downscaled 4K scan. And the colours are much richer unlike the dull grey, yellow overlays throughout the Blu Ray. Look at these official images and their timing -

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The master shots look far superior by my tastes at least, and these colours, rather than the ridiculously dull tones of the Blu Ray, resemble the colour timing of the Donner Superman films. They also match the Return to Krypton sequence. I'd say the Blu ray colours are wrong, just like the colours of the Jurassic Park trilogy (2D), Terminator 2, is wrong on Blu ray too.

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The master shots look far superior by my tastes at least, and these colours, rather than the ridiculously dull tones of the Blu Ray, resemble the colour timing of the Donner Superman films. They also match the Return to Krypton sequence. I'd say the Blu ray colours are wrong, just like the colours of the Jurassic Park trilogy (2D), Terminator 2, is wrong on Blu ray too.
Except JP & T2 were fresh film transfers, where SR is a downconvert of a digital IP (which has the color correction "baked in").

Warner just has to re-encode it for Blu-ray in AVC plus a healthy bitrate and it should look a heck of a lot better. The restored opening sequence is a taste of that.
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Except JP & T2 were fresh film transfers, where SR is a downconvert of a digital IP (which has the color correction "baked in").

Warner just has to re-encode it for Blu-ray in AVC plus a healthy bitrate and it should look a heck of a lot better. The restored opening sequence is a taste of that.
JP and T2 were nothing but the masters made for DVD, then put onto blu ray with altered cooler color temperature. Jurassic Park has since received a fresh 4K scan, but with too much cropping from the original framing. T2 has yet to receive even a 2K scan from the negative with proper colour timing of the 1991 35mm release.

T2 35mm frame -

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Notice that the blue in the frame is of a different tone than the blue in the Bluray disc. This is because most photochemically timed prints had a warmer finish regardless of the colour. Whereas, masters meant for the dvds and HDTV broadcasts were "cooler" for some unknown reason.

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Superman Returns should be released with a proper remaster and colour corrected. I attempted my own version on photoshop -
Sorry, that doesn't look great and without filmmaker intent it's just arbitrary.
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Except JP & T2 were fresh film transfers, where SR is a downconvert of a digital IP (which has the color correction "baked in").

Warner just has to re-encode it for Blu-ray in AVC plus a healthy bitrate and it should look a heck of a lot better. The restored opening sequence is a taste of that.
I think part of the issue is in the master itself - as well as the encoding.
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I don't think anyone said that the 5.1 was the original, and the shortcomings of the 2.0 mix have been noted by others upthread (rumours abound that it actually IS the Laserdisc master because Warners had no better elements, and bear in mind that the LD mix itself wasn't regarded as one of the great audio experiences).
That could be, although I have the 1990 widescreen laserdisc, which is properly encoded with Dolby Surround, with very little dialogue leak into the surrounds. So either they pulled it from an earlier LD, or somewhere in the exporting and importing and mastering, the matrix information got lost.

Sort of like with Scream Factory's Halloween II, it seems like someone just goofed up in the preparation of the track, and no one caught it.
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