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Old 02-05-2013, 07:20 PM   #101
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**** all the major studios who are putting up cash for great remasters of old movies, only to convert them to 3D and sell them again. But then they say "**** you if you don't have 3D, we'll include a 2D version, of the old bullshit transfer". Paramount and Universal both have done this in the last month or so (Jurassic Park). Please don't buy this shit, don't justify their horrible practices. Let these ****ing discs rot on the shelves until studios start caring about us ****ing customers. Worst new practice ever.
Uhh...if you want the 3D version, this is the only way to get it. For those who only want 2D, this is not the release for you. So your idea of "not buying this shit" doesn't really work in this case.
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Well, I cancelled my preorder.I think I can wait for a cheaper used copy from gohastings.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:40 PM   #103
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Uhh...if you want the 3D version, this is the only way to get it. For those who only want 2D, this is not the release for you. So your idea of "not buying this shit" doesn't really work in this case.
I know this and hate it. I'm just saying if everyone did not buy them and let the studios know exactly why, then maybe we could stop this practice before it gets out of hand. It's for all of us who want a remaster but don't have 3D set-ups. If the have a remaster that looks good, but only sell a disc that looks like shit to the majority of people, we shouldn't stand for it. Unfortunately my *****ing won't stop anyone who wants these 3D versions from buying them. I just wish it could.
I'm not gonna go get a new TV, BD player and all the fixings just to get a couple better transfers. It's cheap of the studios to do this to most of the blu-ray buying public. I would guess well under 30% of blu-ray player owners are 3D ready at this point, many are just finally making the jump to HD at all.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:56 PM   #104
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I know this and hate it. I'm just saying if everyone did not buy them and let the studios know exactly why, then maybe we could stop this practice before it gets out of hand. It's for all of us who want a remaster but don't have 3D set-ups. If the have a remaster that looks good, but only sell a disc that looks like shit to the majority of people, we shouldn't stand for it. Unfortunately my *****ing won't stop anyone who wants these 3D versions from buying them. I just wish it could.
I'm not gonna go get a new TV, BD player and all the fixings just to get a couple better transfers. It's cheap of the studios to do this to most of the blu-ray buying public. I would guess well under 30% of blu-ray player owners are 3D ready at this point, many are just finally making the jump to HD at all.
The 3D release of Top Gun, is not even a native 3D presentation, it's a conversion! The first 2D blu-ray release of Top Gun still looks very good, without the gimmicky 3D effects. IMHO, any 2D movie, converted into 3D theatrically, or on blu-ray, will always be inferior to the 2D in my book because, it's not the way the film was originally made.

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Old 02-05-2013, 08:20 PM   #105
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What I hate the most is they have u-turned on what they have stated at every press release... The 3D and 2D in this new release would be the remastered version.

This is now not the case, from reviews so for those of us who were planning on buying just for the new 2D version and paying the extra for the privilege this is not cool!!
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What I hate the most is they have u-turned on what they have stated at every press release... The 3D and 2D in this new release would be the remastered version.

This is now not the case, from reviews so for those of us who were planning on buying just for the new 2D version and paying the extra for the privilege this is not cool!!
Don't say I didn't warn ya.

If you want to complain...feel free to yell at Paramount. Or get Bill Hunt's attention. He's usually good at getting an answer.
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What I hate the most is they have u-turned on what they have stated at every press release... The 3D and 2D in this new release would be the remastered version.

This is now not the case, from reviews so for those of us who were planning on buying just for the new 2D version and paying the extra for the privilege this is not cool!!
Some people have to start using common sense, and stop being naive. There was nothing wrong with Paramount's first Top Gun blu-ray release at all. The A/V quality was exceptional, and had 2 lossless audio sountracks on the same disc, and copious of special features. It didn't needed to remastered.

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There was nothing wrong with Paramount's first Top Gun blu-ray release at all.
You mean aside from the glaring DNR?
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No, it really wasn't.
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Some people have to start using common sense, and stop being naive. There was nothing wrong with Paramount's first Top Gun blu-ray release at all. The A/V quality was exceptional, and had 2 lossless audio sountracks on the same disc, and copious of special features. It didn't needed to remastered. The only difference is the inclusion of the 3D version.
Not sure what you think is naive about this, they have given the public information and we have used said information to decided on making a purchase.

With regards to there being nothing wrong with Paramounts previous releases, really not sure what you have been watching but the 2007HD-DVD, 2008 and the newest release in 2011 are all the same master and very poor PQ when you compare some other 80s classics which have had the time and attention to clean up the dirt, hair and dust specs that are present in all versions released thus far.

Yes the audio was banging and I complement them on that side of the BDs and that is all I can give them.

If they have gone to the effort of cleaning up and remastering why only press the 3D disc why not press the 2D disc?
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You mean aside from the glaring DNR?

No, it really wasn't.
What blu-ray movie doesn't have a little video enhancement applied, and the DNR in Top Gun wasn't that excessive. I truly believe certain blu-ray enthusiast, who're anal, deliberately look for flaws, just to have something to complain about. They're never satisfied. Why bother wasting your money, and buy blu-ray movies at all? Go back to DVDs.
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What blu-ray movie doesn't have a little video enhancement applied
The good ones.
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Not sure what you think is naive about this, they have given the public information and we have used said information to decided on making a purchase.

With regards to there being nothing wrong with Paramounts previous releases, really not sure what you have been watching but the 2007HD-DVD, 2008 and the newest release in 2011 are all the same master and very poor PQ when you compare some other 80s classics which have had the time and attention to clean up the dirt, hair and dust specs that are present in all versions released thus far.
Then you'll be complaining about DNR, and edge enhancement.
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Then you'll be complaining about DNR, and edge enhancement.
Telling me what I will be complaining about is not really a successful retort.

The majority of people are in the same opinion as I with regards to the overall quality of the previous releases of Top Gun.

Wanting a remastered edition is not asking for much especially considering they have gone and remastered it anyway, so again my question is why only a 3D remaster?

Or are we likely to get a 2D version of the remaster later down the road?

These are questions we should be asking and expecting answers to.
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Wanting a remastered edition is not asking for much especially considering they have gone and remastered it anyway, so again my question is why only a 3D remaster?

Or are we likely to get a 2D version of the remaster later down the road?

These are questions we should be asking and expecting answers to.
Because the studio are trying to coerce the consumer(s) to rebuy in 3D, if they want the remastered version, only for the sake of doubling their profit, from consumers who've already purchased the previous 2D blu-ray release. Since Paramount already released Top Gun twice on blu-ray, I doubt very much, they're going to release it again. They may, or they may not, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Paramount used strategy! They killed two birds with one stone. Instead of remastering the 2D version, they chose to remaster only the newly 3D release, which would've been more economical on their behalf.

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**** all the major studios who are putting up cash for great remasters of old movies, only to convert them to 3D and sell them again. But then they say "**** you if you don't have 3D, we'll include a 2D version, of the old bullshit transfer". Paramount and Universal both have done this in the last month or so (Jurassic Park). Please don't buy this shit, don't justify their horrible practices. Let these ****ing discs rot on the shelves until studios start caring about us ****ing customers. Worst new practice ever.
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Because the studio are trying to coerce the consumer(s) to rebuy in 3D, if they want the remastered version, only for the sake of doubling their profit, from consumers who've already purchased the previous 2D blu-ray release. Since Paramount already released Top Gun twice on blu-ray, I doubt very much, they're going to release it again. They may, or they may not, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Not sure why they would have to coerce the consumer, we can see a lot of people were planning a double dip and higher price to get the 3D set just so they could get a remaster in 2D.

Having Top Gun in 3D is certainly not going to persuade/coerce me or many others to go out and buy new TVs and/or BD players.

They already are releasing it again, and have done the work on remastering already so this is the third BD release and the fourth HD release but the first remaster, the original transfer was not cleaned up, they only used software based enhancements.

Edit: I see you added some, the remaster was done using the original 2D print as there was no 3D. The process is scan each frame from original reels/prints, clean up images make alterations, at this point you have a remastered digital copy, from here you then have a standard 2D remaster and can then work on making it 3D.

The extra cost to Paramount is pressing two sets of BDs, but this can be offset by price.

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Old 02-05-2013, 10:07 PM   #117
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I don't understand why Paramount haven't just used the AVC encode and put that on a seperate disc, or allowed it to be played back on 2D only players. All 3D is, is an additional stream provided by MVC, a AVC encode still has to be there.

Or am I missing something?
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I suspect the people who do this stuff over there are just dopes, and don't realize the new transfer isn't just a 3D equivalent of the old transfer.
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I guess this means that I can go buy the existing Top Gun version now, since I've been waiting. Cool.
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Not sure why they would have to coerce the consumer, we can see a lot of people were planning a double dip and higher price to get the 3D set just so they could get a remaster in 2D.
And Paramount realize this, which is exactly the reason why they did it. It's nothing but a marketing ploy, and the consumers are falling right into their trap. The studios know what they're doing, they're in business to make money.
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