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Old 12-28-2012, 02:54 PM   #141
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I am setting up a 7.1 surround system. The room is 10'W x 18'L x 8'H. My side and rear surrounds are FXI A6. The side surrounds are mounted 3.5 feet from the back wall due to a door preventing them being placed farther forward. My question is placement of the rear speakers. I have a 6' wide window on the back wall so the speakers have to be mounted against ceiling above the window where they can be closer together or I can mount them lower on the wall on either side of the window. It seems the ideal position is right in front of the window so I have to either mount them too high or too far apart. Any thoughts on which option will be better?

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Old 12-28-2012, 11:31 PM   #142
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I am setting up a 7.1 surround system. The room is 10'W x 18'L x 8'H. My side and rear surrounds are FXI A6. The side surrounds are mounted 3.5 feet from the back wall due to a door preventing them being placed farther forward. My question is placement of the rear speakers. I have a 6' wide window on the back wall so the speakers have to be mounted against ceiling above the window where they can be closer together or I can mount them lower on the wall on either side of the window. It seems the ideal position is right in front of the window so I have to either mount them too high or too far apart. Any thoughts on which option will be better?

Thanks in advance for any help!
You have several options:
  1. Use two tall speaker stands and place the rear surround speakers on top of them.

  2. Use a couple of ceiling mounts for TV with long extension poles and attch them to the ceiling.
    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_saca...g+mounts&rt=nc
    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...ckets&_sacat=0

  3. You may be able to find ceiling mounts with shelves for old style CRT TVs and place the surround speakers on top of the shelves. That is what I used. I found two excellent CRT TVceiling mounts for $13 each and use them with my large rear surround speakers.
    http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PTC20-B
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/PTC13-B-Prim...item4ab84ea86a

  4. Use chains and build yourself a DIY type of ceiling shelves and place the rear surround speakers on top of them.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:56 PM   #143
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Thanks for the quick response. By the way, I forgot to mention how awesome your original post was. I can't begin to tell you how helpful it has been.

As for the mounts, I can actually wall mount them above the window but they will be right against the ceiling to be above the window which is a little high. Not sure if I could get away with mounting them in front of the window with a ceiling mount that hangs down in front of the window (I think that is what you were suggesting). Wife might kick me and the speakers to the curb.... LOL. Do you think mounting them high with 4 feet between them or lower on each side of the 6' wide window would be better.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:21 AM   #144
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Thanks for the quick response. By the way, I forgot to mention how awesome your original post was. I can't begin to tell you how helpful it has been.

As for the mounts, I can actually wall mount them above the window but they will be right against the ceiling to be above the window which is a little high. Not sure if I could get away with mounting them in front of the window with a ceiling mount that hangs down in front of the window (I think that is what you were suggesting). Wife might kick me and the speakers to the curb.... LOL. Do you think mounting them high with 4 feet between them or lower on each side of the 6' wide window would be better.
Go ahead and do it. After she kicks you out, start knocking on the window at night and making strange noises. She will be too scared by herself and eventually may let you back in the house.

Alternatively, buy her a gift and do it.
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Old 12-31-2012, 07:04 PM   #145
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Go ahead and do it. After she kicks you out, start knocking on the window at night and making strange noises. She will be too scared by herself and eventually may let you back in the house.

Alternatively, buy her a gift and do it.
You must be crazy or went through that same experience!!! hahaha
Happy New Year, Big Daddy!!!!.. I have to send you some pics of the project. It is finished and I have to thank you for your effort and patience.

Ur the best!!!

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@ SJELR:
Big Daddy's advice is the right one. Buying her a present is a VERY good move. A new Coach or Michael Kors shoes/purse ALWAYS works!!.

Good luck!!!

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Old 06-27-2013, 03:33 PM   #146
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Hi seriously great post!

I remember seeing the part2 post a while back and remember there being picutures around the area for excellent and so forth showing different layouts.

I've finally got the kit just need to know ideas for the best placement.

Thanks once again.

Jay
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:54 AM   #147
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I have a long room. 26' long, 10.5' wide, 8' tall.

In the back a soffit comes down another 9 inches, and I have bookshelves coming up, leaving about 10" or so between the top of the shelves and the bottom of the soffit.

The rear seating ears will be 6' away from the back of room. The front seating ears are about 16' from the back (and 10' from the front).

I have been thinking I definitely want bipoles on the sides due to the narrowness of the room.

But I think monopoles for the rear channels should be fine in my case, since the room is narrow and they are pretty far back, plus they'll sit in the nook between shelf top and soffit bottom and I can make the front of the rear monopoles flush with the bookcase/soffit edge so sound doesn't bounce around in there.

At the very least the axioms would be out with bottom and top firing drivers! They'd be firing right into the top of the shelf and bottom of soffit.

Anyhow - my plan is bipoles on sides, monopoles in rear - would all dipoles still suit me better? Any other comments?

Thanks! And great posts/comments and super excellent 1st post!
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:25 PM   #148
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I know you recommend to place bi-poles slightly behind the LP, though I have just ordered some Monitor Audio RXFX speakers which, according to the Monitor Audio RXFX Manual, need to be placed like you recommended to place di-poles.

What is the reason for placing bi-poles slightly more back than di-poles? Is it that important to place the bi-poles slightly behind the LP?

I want to place them as good as possible, I am just not sure which mode I will like more, di- or bi-pole, but since di-pole positioning is quite clear and exact I am a bit at a loss what to go for.
Reading up on the difference between di- and bi-pole makes me think I will like bi-pole more, but I will only know after testing it. And drilling to sets of holes is a bit extreme and I would love to avoid that scenario if possible.

Thanks for your awesome explanations and guides here on the forum!!!
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:18 AM   #149
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so Im getting ready to purchase a pair of F/Xi A4 or the 6 I currently have the Klipsch S3 as my side surrounds in my 7.1 system and I was going to place the F/Xi in the rears but from what I can tell would I be better moving both of those positions?
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Old 03-06-2016, 03:15 PM   #150
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Anyone?
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Old 03-06-2016, 03:25 PM   #151
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My take on bi-polar and dipole speakers is... they were originally produced for the old Pro-Logic, where the rears were mono and low power so spreading the sound out from the back made sense. DDTHD... DTSHD... is specific channel information. Sounds are directed to the individual speakers like in the fronts. By using Bi-Polar or Dipole speakers, you're diffusing the sound... it is no longer as directional as it is meant to be. My view is that if you wouldn't diffuse the sound from the fronts, it would be kinda counter-productive to do it in the rears. Just my 2 cents anyway!
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:51 AM   #152
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So the 5.1 setup with two monopole speakers 10' behind on the back wall would work really well in my long, skinny room, but I haven't seen that suggested layout anywhere else. Is this information now outdated with the modern surround encodes, or is that still a solid 5.1 surround setup?
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Old 03-09-2016, 03:34 AM   #153
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Regular speakers are my preferance.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:40 PM   #154
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Is 10 feet back on the back wall OK, or would they be much better placed on the sides like they are in all of the diagrams I see everywhere else?
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To me, the point of 'Surround' is to have the rears just behind you but if you're sitting at the back wall, that's a bit tough.
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Old 03-26-2016, 07:04 PM   #156
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Im getting ready this summer to build some new movie shelves but I recently picked up my Polk Audio FXI A4 for sides and rears.

My question is what is the closest distance I should place the side of the shelf as to not distort the audio from the polk's?
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Old 03-28-2016, 10:46 PM   #157
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Old 03-29-2016, 02:42 AM   #158
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I've PSB bipolar, I read manual says height 5fts minimum.

So, matter it the closest distance. Don't couch side left and right straight to bipolar.

bipolar side on wall. It's good for two couches.

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I'm still using my Mirage bipolar M5si and Mcsi along with some direct radiating Mirage surrounds in my plasma system and they sound great. I've got a JBL Pro Cinema speakers setup in my projection room and this is what I've found: The bipolar Mirages give you a deeper and bigger sound stage (excellent for concert hall orchestral music), while the JBL Pro 3677s give you more immediate detail and power; sort of like a wall (JBLs) vs a deep open space (Mirages). Different, but both good. I used the Mirages for over fifteen years in my HT, so I know them well. The JBLs were just as difficult to set up properly, but very different in the long run. The Mirages need 3 feet of open space behind them, while the JBLs are tucked into a sort of heavily treated baffle area behind the screen. Quality speakers can be made to work well in any setup if you fine tune them. It comes down to preference. I had the Mirages in my music system before I did a dedicated HT, but they performed well, and were advertised for Home Theater back in the 90s. The main difference between the two systems is power. While the Mirages always performed great at reference powered by a Sunfire Cinema Grand, The JBLs are more efficient and there is a noticeable difference in immediacy and power of presentation. The Mirages still sound fantastic for music and movies, and the JBLs get me closer to the cinema at home.
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