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Old 02-10-2013, 05:33 PM   #21
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No -- it's the best movie I've seen that uses 3D as part of the storytelling, as opposed to eye candy.
Interesting opinion. What did Nemo do well that most other 3D movies don't?

Personally, I didn't see any interesting 3D story-telling in Nemo. It certainly wasn't bad, but to me, it looked like they just re-rendered the models in 3D. Camera movements and story-boarding were pretty 2D-like, which wasn't unexpected. They didn't do anything special with the 3D, and it didn't heighten the story experience much compared to the 2D, which also isn't necessarily a bad thing. It seemed more like just special treatment for a classic 2D movie.

My current ultimate example of 3D story-telling would be Hugo. I don't think anyone watching in 2D can fully appreciate the tone of the scenes without all the clever pop-outs and striking depth and conversions of old Méliès footage. The way that the characters move in 3D space is great, as are the longer shots and intricate set pieces. Everything DreamWorks does has a big benefit from being seen in 3D as well.
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:52 PM   #22
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Interesting opinion. What did Nemo do well that most other 3D movies don't?

Personally, I didn't see any interesting 3D story-telling in Nemo. It certainly wasn't bad, but to me, it looked like they just re-rendered the models in 3D. Camera movements and story-boarding were pretty 2D-like, which wasn't unexpected. They didn't do anything special with the 3D, and it didn't heighten the story experience much compared to the 2D, which also isn't necessarily a bad thing. It seemed more like just special treatment for a classic 2D movie.

My current ultimate example of 3D story-telling would be Hugo. I don't think anyone watching in 2D can fully appreciate the tone of the scenes without all the clever pop-outs and striking depth and conversions of old Méliès footage. The way that the characters move in 3D space is great, as are the longer shots and intricate set pieces. Everything DreamWorks does has a big benefit from being seen in 3D as well.
Agreed re Hugo, it is probably the only film I have seen where the 3D was used to tell the story.

As for Nemo supposedly doing it. How does a film that was totally conceived & created in 2D 10 years ago use 3D to tell the story 10 years later, when nothing about the film was changed apart from a re-render into 3D.....
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:11 PM   #23
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Agreed re Hugo, it is probably the only film I have seen where the 3D was used to tell the story.

As for Nemo supposedly doing it. How does a film that was totally conceived & created in 2D 10 years ago use 3D to tell the story 10 years later, when nothing about the film was changed apart from a re-render into 3D.....
What was changed was Nemo's world. Living space via 3D opening up to a universe-like environmental feeling. The 2D version may have been created about "10 years" ago, but it's is about 100 years later since "Méliès footage" was made and converted for Hugo's production.
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Agreed re Hugo, it is probably the only film I have seen where the 3D was used to tell the story.

As for Nemo supposedly doing it. How does a film that was totally conceived & created in 2D 10 years ago use 3D to tell the story 10 years later, when nothing about the film was changed apart from a re-render into 3D.....
Agreed. There's a big difference between a movie conceived with 2D thinking and shot or converted with 3D depth and a movie that's originally story-boarded to use 3D space effectively.

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What was changed was Nemo's world. Living space via 3D opening up to a universe-like environmental feeling.
Good point. The re-render certainly made Nemo's world look more real, and consequently made the movie feel more immersive. That probably does heighten the experience a little bit. They did an awesome job tailoring the depth for theaters.

Still, I feel that in comparison with even something like Brave, Nemo doesn't use 3D space as effectively. Characters and objects don't move forward and backward on the Z-plane for dramatic effect nearly as much. Instead, the camera moves as they move, or if they do move on the z-plane, it's usually meaningless and nothing connected to the story-telling. It looks like a 2D movie with nice 3D depth.
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My choice of movies for utilizing 3d...

For "pop-out" attention-grabbing:

- A Very Harold & Kumar 3d Christmas

For a "natural", well-balanced 3d presentation:

- Most CGI animated features I've seen, especially UP, and THE ADVENTURES OF TIN TIN.

Biggest surprise:

- The Avengers 3d. I wasn't impressed in theaters, but at home, on my TV, it was quite an improvement.

Everyone mentions AVATAR, but I will be dead honest and say that I don't find it impressive. As a movie or for the 3d. I give props for the marketing, and also that Cameron decided to film it as a MOVIE first, and let the 3d just be a natural byproduct to the story he wanted to tell.

I anticipate that my favorite 3d bluray is going to be LIFE OF PI once I have it in my grubby little paws.
I guarantee that will be an awesome 3d flick.
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Good or Best 3D to me, is NOT the "pop" out. It is a natural feel to the movie as if you're witnessing it with your own two eyes. I don't know why people have said Avatar doesn't have enough "pop" cause it has more than I'd like.
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Agreed. There's a big difference between a movie conceived with 2D thinking and shot or converted with 3D depth and a movie that's originally story-boarded to use 3D space effectively.


Good point. The re-render certainly made Nemo's world look more real, and consequently made the movie feel more immersive. That probably does heighten the experience a little bit. They did an awesome job tailoring the depth for theaters.

Still, I feel that in comparison with even something like Brave, Nemo doesn't use 3D space as effectively. Characters and objects don't move forward and backward on the Z-plane for dramatic effect nearly as much. Instead, the camera moves as they move, or if they do move on the z-plane, it's usually meaningless and nothing connected to the story-telling. It looks like a 2D movie with nice 3D depth.
From the sheltering confines of the anemone, to the vibrant coral reef, to the vast and frightening open ocean by the "dropoff", the distance between a killer shark (and later a giant whale), to the prison of the aquarium, the dangers of mines and jellyfish and the joys of riding a current, space and spatial relations are a major storytelling element of Nemo and how it was staged. The 3D takes what was already there and amplifies it and enhances it. As good as it already was, it's simply a much better film in 3D.
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From the sheltering confines of the anemone, to the vibrant coral reef, to the vast and frightening open ocean by the "dropoff", the distance between a killer shark (and later a giant whale), to the prison of the aquarium, the dangers of mines and jellyfish and the joys of riding a current, space and spatial relations are a major storytelling element of Nemo and how it was staged. The 3D takes what was already there and amplifies it and enhances it. As good as it already was, it's simply a much better film in 3D.
I'm not having a go at you, I love Nemo it is a fantastic film. But after seeing both Sammy films the quality of the 3D in Nemo just pales by comparison. What could've (should've) been a similar amazing 3D experience just does not happen. The ocean environments in Sammy go on for miles, the ones in Nemo have barely any depth what so ever. While I love Nemo as a film (and it is certainly better than both Sammy's as a movie) the 3D is not even in the same boat (pun intended.
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What was changed was Nemo's world. Living space via 3D opening up to a universe-like environmental feeling. The 2D version may have been created about "10 years" ago, but it's is about 100 years later since "Méliès footage" was made and converted for Hugo's production.
I wasn't talking about the Melies footage, that is what 1 minute of the film?

The entire film is made better by the fantastic 3D. You can't even compare the depth and environments of Hugo with those of Nemo as there just is no contest. Nemo has average depth at best and NO popouts whatsoever when the material is clearly screaming out for it in a lot of scenes. I found myself almost willing things out of the screen in Nemo, but it just never happened and it should've on many occasions.
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I'm not having a go at you, I love Nemo it is a fantastic film. But after seeing both Sammy films the quality of the 3D in Nemo just pales by comparison. What could've (should've) been a similar amazing 3D experience just does not happen. The ocean environments in Sammy go on for miles, the ones in Nemo have barely any depth what so ever. While I love Nemo as a film (and it is certainly better than both Sammy's as a movie) the 3D is not even in the same boat (pun intended.
Well, haven't seen the Sammy films, never even heard of them until this thread. Definitely on my radar now, though.

Nemo is a film about agoraphobia and claustrophobia -- it's about one character afraid to leave a space, and another character afraid not to. The film is a collision between these two ideas, and the 3D amplifies it. Again, as good as it was in 2003, it's dramatically better in 3D, as these concepts are now even more effectively presented.
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Well, haven't seen the Sammy films, never even heard of them until this thread. Definitely on my radar now, though.
Ahhhhh that explains it. Sorry I assumed you had. I'm sure your opinion on Nemo's 3D will change greatly once you have seen the Sammys.
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You can rent Sammy's Adventures on VUDU for like $5 or so, and then purchase it flat out to own forever for $17.99 if you have a PS3 or some other method to watch it that way. I just bought it that way, and it works just perfectly. The 3D effects are so amazing and I, also, highly recommend watching it.
But its such low bitrate that way, much better to view the disc version surely ?

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But its such low bitrate that way, much better to view the disc version surely ?
I tried to watch Sammy 2 in low res and gave up after 15 minutes.
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James Cameron's Titanic, not only are you getting, Titanic, but you're getting astonishing 3D. This is a rare case where 3D actually adds a lot to the film, the scenes where Rose is running down long corridors looking for help are so atmospheric and claustrophobic in 3D!
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Best Doco for me would be Cane Toads 3D.

Nice little quirky, fun and informative movie and the 3D and PQ is reference quality
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Best Doco for me would be Cane Toads 3D.

Nice little quirky, fun and informative movie and the 3D and PQ is reference quality
Cane Toads was quite fun, I did find though that it was the only 3D film I've seen that if your not sitting back far enough the strain on your eyes is painful.
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James Cameron's Titanic, not only are you getting, Titanic, but you're getting astonishing 3D. This is a rare case where 3D actually adds a lot to the film, the scenes where Rose is running down long corridors looking for help are so atmospheric and claustrophobic in 3D!
Agreed. I also love the scene where Rose slips off the edge of the boat and is hanging over the dark ocean. Awesome.


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