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Old 02-28-2014, 05:43 AM   #6021
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Im all for story and atmosphere over gore/action for no reason but this movie could of used some violence/gore to add a bit of excitement. The scene where the one guy
[Show spoiler]starts mutating and starts bashing people and throwing them around was actually pretty damn cool and I was like "alright maybe things are gonna start happening now" and as soon as it started it was over a second later and back to more boring nonsense.
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Old 02-28-2014, 06:05 AM   #6022
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I agree with you 100% here. It's true that all films have their issues, whether they are logic issues, continuity, effects, acting, or whatever. I mentioned Moon but I know there could be some issues in that film too regarding logic if you try to find them. But for me, Prometheus has far too many issues, not just as a stand-alone film, but also how it doesn't properly fit into the Alien universe. The fact is the Architects are not what most people expected the Space Jockey to be.
[Show spoiler]The size is off drastically, and the Architects are humanoid - far from the bizarre skeletal remains we saw in Alien.
That's the biggest issue I have with it. The other issues - weak characters, confusing motivations, poor decisions made throughout the film by various characters, my issues with the med-unit scene - that's all just heaped on top of the big issue I have - they didn't do justice to the Space Jockey. I was perfectly happy wondering for the rest of my life what the Space Jockey was. It was a mystery. If they are going to bother explaining the mystery, it better be good. And it wasn't.

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Old 02-28-2014, 06:08 AM   #6023
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Im all for story and atmosphere over gore/action for no reason but this movie could of used some violence/gore to add a bit of excitement. The scene where the one guy
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Old 02-28-2014, 08:19 AM   #6024
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When I saw it the first time I was really disappointed. It seems like the movie had SOOOO much potential, but a lousy script is really the culprit.
I hope they don't let Damon Lindelof get near the script for the sequel!
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:08 AM   #6025
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Tel ya what - there isnt a movie that exists that has NO logic gaps, questionable plot devices, or "why didnt they just xxxxxx" moments. Even the films you mention surely have some of that.

Prometheus does too, fair enough. But it doesnt take away from the experience and enjoyment of the film, for me anyways. Just saying - dont act like some movies are perfectly logical in every way possible and some are not. Doesnt work that way. never has, never will.



Sadly this is more true nowadays but even back in 1968 there were plenty of people that were bored and/or irritated with 2001. Noir films and films that dont have traditionally narrative structures will always hev a large number of detractors. Its no skin off my back. And, honestly, I find some of the noir/old films very boring and pointless myself.

there's a difference between a film having some logic gaps... and huh? moments and a giant logic gap that has a few moments of film in it... which is what Prometheus is
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:25 AM   #6026
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I really like Prometheus. I consider myself a fan of the film.

And it does indeed got some major plot holes. The fans that refuse to see this are only deluding themselves. Just admit it, there's dumb s*** in this movie. It's okay to still like it while knowing this. Your ego does not have to take a hit whenever a hater points out the obvious--it's not an attack against you. These people have good reasons to dislike this film. Let them and their opinions be. There's nothing wrong with you liking it and them disliking it.

It's not as deep of a film as you claim it is, nor is it as shallow as the haters want to believe. It strives for great things and falls short. Yes, it's disappointing to fans and haters alike.

And I still like it and am glad it is in my collection.

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Old 02-28-2014, 10:31 AM   #6027
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When I saw it the first time I was really disappointed. It seems like the movie had SOOOO much potential, but a lousy script is really the culprit.
I hope they don't let Damon Lindelof get near the script for the sequel!
Watch the making of documentary on the 3D bluray. Scott was a major problem with the film. He was constantly changing his mind. His and his staff's ideas would go through the normal processes, and a plan was in place then he'd walk in and change his mind the day of the ideas implementation. This went on ad nauseam. That's no way to run a production. And they weren't even good ideas. You can see how he was getting more and more lost in the wilderness as the production continued.

Yes, Lindelof jacked up the script, but Scott ****ed up almost every thing else. Except the beauty and production value of the film. It's a mess of a story, but it's a gorgeous film with an amazing production value!
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:45 AM   #6028
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:48 AM   #6029
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I really like Prometheus. I consider myself a fan of the film.

And it does indeed got some major plot holes. The fans that refuse to see this are only deluding themselves. Just admit it, there's dumb s*** in this movie. It's okay to still like it while knowing this. Your ego does not have to take a hit whenever a hater points out the obvious--it's not an attack against you. These people have good reasons to dislike this film. Let them and their opinions be. There's nothing wrong with you liking it and them disliking it.

It's not as deep of a film as you claim it is, nor is it as shallow as the haters want to believe. It strives for great things and falls short. Yes, it's disappointing to fans and haters alike.

And I still like it and am glad it is in my collection.



I'm to the point now that I won't go see anything he's involved with. He's like the touch of death to movies. If he were a professional movie assassin he'd be the world's most sought after movie ninja.
Very nicely said and well put. And I agree about Lindelof - he shouldn't be allowed near a script ever again. He's ultimately the reason Prometheus ended up like it did.


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Watch the making of documentary on the 3D bluray. Scott was a major problem with the film. He was constantly changing his mind. His and his staff's ideas would go through the normal processes, and a plan was in place then he'd walk in and change his mind the day of the ideas implementation. This went on ad nauseam. That's no way to run a production. And they weren't even good ideas. You can see how he was getting more and more lost in the wilderness as the production continued.

Yes, Lindelof jacked up the script, but Scott ****ed up almost every thing else. Except the beauty and production value of the film. It's a mess of a story, but it's a gorgeous film with an amazing production value!

Interesting. I think I'm going to watch that doc. I'd love to get a better idea of just what went wrong with this film. That's part of what fascinates me with this film. The production values are very strong, and though I totally hate the script, something tells me this had seeds for a much better film. I've wondered how Scott could have allowed this to go so wrong.

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Old 02-28-2014, 12:05 PM   #6030
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Why don't we start picking apart Blade Runner for plot holes too?

I just don't get it. Much like the backlash against The Counselor, it seems like there is a cult of blindly hating Prometheus. It isn't a masterpiece, but I have no idea what plot holes people are always talking about. The only part of the film I though that could have been slightly improved was giving more reason for the scientist to touch the snake-like alien. There was a deleted scene that established his curiosity much better that should have been left in the film. Other than that, I think Prometheus is a great example of science fiction as it presents the audience with questions about bigger concepts and has some incredible production design as well as some exciting action. True, the film does not delve into the concepts very deeply, but neither do recognized classics of the genre like Blade Runner, 2001, etc. In these films, the directors wisely realize that it is up to the audience to be an active participant the story. The enjoyment of these kind of movies is not just in sitting and watching "entertainment" but in analyzing and discussing the themes and ideas afterword.

A perfect example would be Blade Runner. I teach a high school film course and I showed Blade Runner in class. The kids had no idea what was happening the entire time. However, once we started the group discussion and analyzed a lot of the dialogue and scenes, in particular the things that were NOT explicitly stated (for example, why is it always dark and raining in Los Angeles? This isn't answered directly in the film, but all of the information is there for those that want to find the answer), THAT is when the film really came alive for my students and a lot of them came to say it was one of the best they have seen.

I think this video does a great job of clearing up a lot of the supposed problems with Prometheus...

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Old 02-28-2014, 12:21 PM   #6031
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It's not just the plot holes. Why can't people understand that many fans didn't like what they did with the Space Jockey? They turned the skeletal remains of a gigantic, mysterious, totally alien creature designed by Giger into
[Show spoiler]a slightly-larger-than-man humanoid in a spacesuit
. That right there killed it for me. All the rest - the stupid characters (all of them), the illogical decisions made throughout, the plot holes - they're all just more baggage to weigh the film down even more.

The movie has large ideas but the ideas are very poorly realized, and I'm not sure these ideas ever should have been brought into the Alien universe.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:48 PM   #6032
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It's not just the plot holes. Why can't people understand that many fans didn't like what they did with the Space Jockey? They turned the skeletal remains of a gigantic, mysterious, totally alien creature designed by Giger into
[Show spoiler]a slightly-larger-than-man humanoid in a spacesuit
. That right there killed it for me. All the rest - the stupid characters (all of them), the illogical decisions made throughout, the plot holes - they're all just more baggage to weigh the film down even more.

The movie has large ideas but the ideas are very poorly realized, and I'm not sure these ideas ever should have been brought into the Alien universe.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:18 AM   #6033
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I bought Prometheus last year and finally watched it tonight. It was ok. I didn't totally like it or totally dislike it. It was better than 2001. (I saw some comments mentioning that movie). I hated 2001! I can at least watch Prometheus again.
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it's not just the plot holes. Why can't people understand that many fans didn't like what they did with the space jockey? They turned the skeletal remains of a gigantic, mysterious, totally alien creature designed by giger into
[Show spoiler]a slightly-larger-than-man humanoid in a spacesuit
. That right there killed it for me. All the rest - the stupid characters (all of them), the illogical decisions made throughout, the plot holes - they're all just more baggage to weigh the film down even more.

The movie has large ideas but the ideas are very poorly realized, and i'm not sure these ideas ever should have been brought into the alien universe.


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Old 03-17-2014, 09:50 AM   #6035
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I think I might watch Prometheus later on.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:48 PM   #6036
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It's not just the plot holes. Why can't people understand that many fans didn't like what they did with the Space Jockey? They turned the skeletal remains of a gigantic, mysterious, totally alien creature designed by Giger into
[Show spoiler]a slightly-larger-than-man humanoid in a spacesuit
. That right there killed it for me. All the rest - the stupid characters (all of them), the illogical decisions made throughout, the plot holes - they're all just more baggage to weigh the film down even more.

The movie has large ideas but the ideas are very poorly realized, and I'm not sure these ideas ever should have been brought into the Alien universe.
I am sorry you didn't like the movie and I've only seen it once so I'm not defending it - but this space jockey BS ... boo hoo hoo.

I mean, get real. In the first place, science tells us that, because of gravitational effects over time for one, larger beings are unlikely - especially ones with developed brains. Secondly, finding out that there are advanced beings who look like us, approximately, would be a far more striking and unsettling experience for humankind - raising serious, primordial questions about who we are and where we came from. Which ties in with, thirdly, the ancient aliens concept that there are "pictures" of spacemen, in spacesuits, all over the planet - which modern man has dismissed as "primitive art". "Your" reaction (all of those who felt that way) heightens our modern-day primitiveness (as, in a Chaplinesque way, does the idiot behavior those human astronauts in the film) - just like the "primitive", non-technological humans who couldn't separate aliens from their technology and so thought them to be Gods. Or, in other words, to borrow from The Beatles : "Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about."
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I am sorry you didn't like the movie and I've only seen it once so I'm not defending it - but this space jockey BS ... boo hoo hoo.

I mean, get real. In the first place, science tells us that, because of gravitational effects over time for one, larger beings are unlikely - especially ones with developed brains. Secondly, finding out that there are advanced beings who look like us, approximately, would be a far more striking and unsettling experience for humankind - raising serious, primordial questions about who we are and where we came from. Which ties in with, thirdly, the ancient aliens concept that there are "pictures" of spacemen, in spacesuits, all over the planet - which modern man has dismissed as "primitive art". "Your" reaction (all of those who felt that way) heightens our modern-day primitiveness (as, in a Chaplinesque way, does the idiot behavior those human astronauts in the film) - just like the "primitive", non-technological humans who couldn't separate aliens from their technology and so thought them to be Gods. Or, in other words, to borrow from The Beatles : "Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about."
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I bought Prometheus last year and finally watched it tonight. It was ok. I didn't totally like it or totally dislike it. It was better than 2001. (I saw some comments mentioning that movie). I hated 2001! I can at least watch Prometheus again.
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Oooooh, you might go to hell for that one.
I like Prometheus a lot more than most but comparing it with 2001 is rather silly!
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Mission to Mars is better than Prometheus...does that mean it's better than 2001?
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