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Old 04-15-2009, 07:46 PM   #1
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This is a thread to list all US Blu-ray players and whether they are compatible with 50Hz Blu-ray content (eg. 50i/50p). Usually this means 1080/50i, which could contain either 50i interlaced content or 25p progressive content.

All European Blu-ray players are obviously compatible.


US Blu-ray Players compatible with 50Hz content:

Denon DBP1610 [Outputs 50Hz content at 50Hz - cannot convert 50Hz content to another refresh rate]
Denon DVD-2500BT
Denon DBT-1713UD [Outputs 50Hz content at 50Hz - cannot convert 50Hz content to another refresh rate]
Denon DBT-3313UDCI [Outputs 50Hz content at 50Hz - cannot convert 50Hz content to another refresh rate]
Insignia NS-BRDVD3 [Plays PAL SD, playback of 1080/50i content unconfirmed. Can be made region free]
Insignia NS-BRDVD4 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz, Can be made region free]
Insignia NS-WBRDVD2
JVC XV-BP1
LG BD 220 [Can convert 50Hz content to 60Hz]
LG BD 370 [Can convert 50Hz content to 60Hz]
LG BD 530 [Can convert 50Hz content to 60Hz]
LG BD 570
LG BD 590
LG BD 611
LG BD 630 [Can convert 50Hz content to 60Hz]
LG BD 670 (3D player)
LG BD 670C (3D player)
LG BH100 [Outputs 50Hz content at 50Hz - cannot convert 50Hz content to another refresh rate]
LG BH200 [Conflicting reports about whether it can output 50Hz content at 60Hz or only at 50Hz]
LG BP200
Momitsu BDP-799
Momitsu BDP-899 [Can be made region free]
Oppo BDP-80 [Can convert 50Hz content to 60Hz]
Oppo BDP-83 [Can convert 50Hz content to 60Hz]
Oppo BDP-93 [Can convert 50Hz content to 60Hz]
Oppo BDP-95 [Can convert 50Hz content to 60Hz]
Orei BDP-M2 (Region Free 3D Blu-ray player) [Can convert 50Hz content to 60Hz]
Panasonic DMP-BD30 prior to firmware 1.6
Panasonic DMP-BD60 [Outputs 50Hz content at 50Hz]
Panasonic DMP-BD605 [Outputs 50Hz content at 50Hz]
Panasonic DMP-BD65 [Outputs 50Hz content at 50hz]
Panasonic DMP-BD85 [Outputs 50Hz content at 50hz]
Panasonic DMP-BDT210 [only if using enhanced firmware]
Philips 3406/F7
Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD [Outputs 50Hz content at 50hz, also up-converts 50Hz content]
Pioneer BDP-320 [Outputs 50Hz content at 50Hz]
Pioneer BDP-51FD [Outputs 50Hz content at 50Hz, also up-converts 50Hz content]
Samsung BD-C5500
Samsung BD-C6500 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz. Doesn't play PAL DVDs]
Samsung BD-C6900
Samsung BD-D5100 [Outputs 50i content at 60i]
Samsung BD-D5300 [Outputs 50i content at 60i]
Samsung BD-D5500ZA (3D player)
Samsung BD-D6500 (3D player)
Samsung BD-D5700 [Outputs 50i content at 60i. 50Hz (not 25) motion content conversion may be better than with BD1500/BD2550]
Samsung BD-E5300 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz]
Samsung BD-E5400 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz]
Samsung BD-E5700 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz]
Samsung BD-P1000
Samsung BD-P1200
Samsung BD-P1400
Samsung BD-P1500 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz]
Samsung BD-P1600 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz]
Samsung BD-P2500 (with latest firmware)
Samsung BD-P2550 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz]
Samsung BD-UP5000
Samsung HT-D4500
Sharp BD-HP21
Sherwood BDP-5004 [Can be made region free]
Vizio VBR100 [SD PAL content doesn't scale/centre - appears at top left of screen]
Vizio VBR133 (3D Player)

Note: You will need a 50Hz compatible display to play back 50Hz content with some of the above US players (eg. Panasonic DMP-BD60) or use a video processor to convert it to a compatible rate.

Other players (including the Samsung players) convert the content to another frame rate (eg. 60Hz) so they don't need a 50Hz compatible TV.

Compatible Games Consoles
Sony PlayStation 4
Microsoft Xbox One [outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz]


US Blu-ray Players NOT compatible with 50Hz content:


Panasonic DMP-BD30 with firmware 1.6 or later
Panasonic DMP-BD35
Panasonic DMP-BD55
Panasonic DMP-BD70V
Panasonic DMP-BDT110
Panasonic DMP-BDT210 [using standard firmware]
Sony BDP-S350
Sony BDP-S370
Sony BDP-S550
Sony BDP-S560
Sony BDP-S570
Sony Playstation 3


If you know of an error with this list or to add to or update the list, please post in this thread.





US TV/Display manufacturers which are generally capable of receiving and outputting 50Hz content:
Insignia (including Insignia NS-LCD 19-09)
Vizio



Here is a link to some of the 50Hz Blu-ray titles available:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mov...ay-thread.html

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Old 04-15-2009, 11:28 PM   #2
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I can confirm that the BDP 1500 and BDP 2550 from samsung both play 1080i/50hz at 60hz (no need to have a 50i compatible tv).
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:12 AM   #3
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:09 AM   #4
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So interlaced video runs at 25 fps in Europe? How do they get film at 24 fps to transfer? I know for interlacing in the US they transmit two fields (odd/even lines) at 30 fps which gives 60 fields/sec for interlaced transmission. Then they use a trick called 3:2 pulldown which adds an extra field every other frame so that 2 frames generate 5 fields. This gives (24/2) * 5 = 60 fields/sec so 24 fps film transfers to 60 fields/sec for interlaced video. I can't see how the math works for Europe. I'm HT noobish at this point but I love tech stuff, so fill me in...?

LR TV: Vizio P55-C1 BR TV: Samsung UN32EH5300
LR BD: Samsung UBD-K8500 BR BD: Sony BDP-S350
LR AV Receiver: Marantz NR-1606 LR HT Audio: Peachtree Audio Nova
BR AV Receiver Onkyo TX-SR606
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:14 AM   #5
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So interlaced video runs at 25 fps in Europe? How do they get film at 24 fps to transfer? I know for interlacing in the US they transmit two fields (odd/even lines) at 30 fps which gives 60 fields/sec for interlaced transmission. Then they use a trick called 3:2 pulldown which adds an extra field every frame so that 2 frames generate 5 fields. This gives (24/2) * 5 = 60 fields/sec so 24 fps film transfers to 60 fields/sec for interlaced video. I can't see how the math works for Europe. I'm HT noobish at this point but I love tech stuff, so fill me in...?
I think they only do Speed Up from 24 to 25. That's why the sound is a little bit faster on PAL DVD's and PAL VHS (and LD). That's also why runtime are often 'lesser' than US on home video. Altought most of the HD stuff in 1080i/50hz are either Shows and Tv Shows that have been shot natively like this. They are movies like REC with was shot in 1080i/50hz nativelity also..

Correct me if i'am wrong.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:19 AM   #6
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Ok, that makes sense. I was running through all kinds of math gymnastics and just confusing myself lol.

LR TV: Vizio P55-C1 BR TV: Samsung UN32EH5300
LR BD: Samsung UBD-K8500 BR BD: Sony BDP-S350
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So interlaced video runs at 25 fps in Europe? How do they get film at 24 fps to transfer? I know for interlacing in the US they transmit two fields (odd/even lines) at 30 fps which gives 60 fields/sec for interlaced transmission. Then they use a trick called 3:2 pulldown which adds an extra field every other frame so that 2 frames generate 5 fields. This gives (24/2) * 5 = 60 fields/sec so 24 fps film transfers to 60 fields/sec for interlaced video. I can't see how the math works for Europe. I'm HT noobish at this point but I love tech stuff, so fill me in...?


That's great! That's quite a very informative post. Thanks for your share.
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:32 PM   #8
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Film that would normally run at 24fps is speeded up in 50hz territories for standard definition. For high definition it is left as is. To get 25fps per second they speed up the movie reel so 25fps pass instead of 24. The pitch of the audio goes up ever so slightly but most human ears can't tell the difference. Its also the reason why many run times for the Euro releases for DVD is much shorter by about 4 minutes, thats because 1 frame extra has passed every second of motion.

Documentary presentations are not shot on film, they use digital cameras. Therefore anything that is filmed in docu style such as a wildlife program or concert would be done in interlaced fashion. If the blu ray is done in 50hz you will find problems in North America.

the guy above is telling of symptoms that tell me the tV in question does not support 50hz. You would need a TV that is globally sold. Example... If the UK Sony Bravia is called the KDL40W4000, its likely its American brother will have the exact same inards and therefore a good chance it will have 50hz. If you buy an RCA TV, they don't sell RCA's in the UK or elsewhere and therefore they will cut corners that only facilitate the US market.

50hz is not going to be a selling factor to 99.9999% of the US market, therefore it is not advertised.
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:32 PM   #9
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I can confirm that the BDP 1500 and BDP 2550 from samsung both play 1080i/50hz at 60hz (no need to have a 50i compatible tv).
Really? Whenever my Samsung BDP2500 encounters PAL content, I just get a blank screen, and my Panasonic projector accepts 50/60Hz input. The 2500 is the exact same player as the 2550, just different firmware on the 2550 to support Pandora.
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Really? Whenever my Samsung BDP2500 encounters PAL content, I just get a blank screen, and my Panasonic projector accepts 50/60Hz input. The 2500 is the exact same player as the 2550, just different firmware on the 2550 to support Pandora.
Are you using the latest firmware for the Samsung BD-P2500? Which firmware version are you using? It's possible that some firmware versions for it work with 50hz while others don't. I read a post somewhere by someone saying their US Samsung BD-P2500 did work 50hz.

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Are you using the latest firmware for the Samsung BD-P2500? Which firmware version are you using? It's possible that some firmware versions for it work with 50hz while others don't. I read a post somewhere by someone saying their US Samsung BD-P2500 did work 50hz.
I'm using the latest firmware that just came out a few weeks ago, but it's been more than a year since I tried anything 50Hz on it, as I assumed it didn't support it. I'll try it again in the next few days.
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I have an Oasis 50hz disc I have been trying to play for a year. I see my Panasonic BD60 is on the approved list. Does this mean my Panasonic plasma cannot play 50hz?
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Really? Whenever my Samsung BDP2500 encounters PAL content, I just get a blank screen, and my Panasonic projector accepts 50/60Hz input. The 2500 is the exact same player as the 2550, just different firmware on the 2550 to support Pandora.
Yes it works.. i got plenty of Pal 50i titles.. I tested on my friend C6900 (samsung) and it works too...

It's 50i disc, don't play in a PS3, SonY BD Player, confirmed by my PC Bluray software..
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The Insignia NS-WBRDVD2 and NS-BRDVD4 can both play 1080/50i material.
This I have tested with the UK blus of [REC], Sommers Town and the extra features from City of the Living Dead.
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The Insignia NS-WBRDVD2 and NS-BRDVD4 can both play 1080/50i material.
This I have tested with the UK blus of [REC], Sommers Town and the extra features from City of the Living Dead.
Thanks. I've added them to the list.
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This is a thread to list all US Blu-ray players and whether they are compatible with 50hz Blu-ray content (eg. 25p/50i/50p). Usually this means 1080/50i, which could contain either 50i interlaced content or 25p progressive content.

All European Blu-ray players are obviously compatible.


US Blu-ray Players compatible with 50hz content:

LG BH200 [Outputs 50hz content at 50hz]
Momitsu BDP-899
Oppo BDP-83
Panasonic DMP-BD30 prior to firmware 1.6
Samsung BD-P1000
Samsung BD-P1200
Samsung BD-P1400
Samsung PD-P1500 [Outputs 50hz content at 60hz]
Samsung PD-P1600 [Outputs 50hz content at 60hz]
Samsung BD-P2550 [Outputs 50hz content at 60hz]

Note: You might need a 50hz compatible display to play back 50hz content with some of the above US players, though some of them convert the content to another frame rate (eg. 60hz).

US Blu-ray Players NOT compatible with 50hz content:


Panasonic DMP-BD30 with firmware 1.6 or later
Sony BD-S350
Sony Playstation 3


If you know of an error with this list or to add to the list, please post in this thread.
Anyway around the PS3 limitation? Got ANtichrist BUT ONLY the Trailers are in PAL 50. ANy way to start it so it automatically goes to the main menu?
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Pioneer 05 and 51 will output 50hz and also upconvert 50hz. I don't know about other Pioneer units, but I would assume so.
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Does the 50hz to 60hz conversion for Samsung players only apply to those sold in Region B or does it apply to Region A (specifically the U.S.) as well?

Second, is there a list/link for U.S. Blu-ray players that reliably play multi/no region Blu-ray discs without trouble? (For example, it's my understanding that the PS3 refuses to read any disc with PAL content even if the film itself is region-free 1080P.)

Thanks in advance for the info.
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It would be great if this list was actively maintained and made a sticky. There are many European imports that are region-free that do not play in the U.S. on most players because of the decision to leave the video in 1080i/50 Hz format.
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It would be great if this list was actively maintained and made a sticky. There are many European imports that are region-free that do not play in the U.S. on most players because of the decision to leave the video in 1080i/50 Hz format.
I try to actively maintain it . As soon as I see someone's posts here about a US BD player that does or doesn't work with 50hz, or posts an update/correction I update the list. If I read about about another US player working/not working with 50hz in another thread/somewhere else on the web I will update the list.

edit: Though it looks like I missed a few posts above. Sorry about that. I will add those to the list.

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