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Old 12-20-2010, 10:18 PM   #101
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Are you using the latest firmware for the Samsung BD-P2500? Which firmware version are you using? It's possible that some firmware versions for it work with 50hz while others don't. I read a post somewhere by someone saying their US Samsung BD-P2500 did work 50hz.
I'm using the latest firmware that just came out a few weeks ago, but it's been more than a year since I tried anything 50Hz on it, as I assumed it didn't support it. I'll try it again in the next few days.
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Old 12-28-2010, 05:51 PM   #102
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I have an Oasis 50hz disc I have been trying to play for a year. I see my Panasonic BD60 is on the approved list. Does this mean my Panasonic plasma cannot play 50hz?
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Old 01-07-2011, 01:59 AM   #103
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Hi all, new to the forum and my 2nd post will be a question.

My parents have a Panasonic DMP-BD65 Blu-ray player hooked up to an Onkyo TX-SR608 receiver outputting to a Panasonic TC-P42S2 Plasma display. They enjoyed watching the first season of "Lark Rise to Candleford" on DVD a year or so ago and I bought them the 2nd season from Amazon US on Blu-ray.

The disc is an import (2nd season BR of the series is not apparently not sold in US yet) and the description from the Amazon site states that, "Import Blu-Ray/Region All pressing. Please note while the feature film is viewable on all Blu-Ray players the special features are in Standard Definition/PAL format and will not be viewable on US BR players."

I saw that, of course, before ordering the discs, but since they aren't interested in Special Features, I thought it would work out.

Well, it hasn't. They had trouble with the discs as they are evidently outputting 50hz. They can hear sound, but there is no image at all (black screen after the initial BR player warm up screen) and "Incompatible Resolution" or something like that is pops up on the Onkyo's front panel. When I was over during the holidays, I upgraded the BR player to the latest firmware.

Can anyone recommend any decent players sub $200 US that will play this disc without the need for an external converter? The first post here suggests some, but I wanted to know if anyone had any experience with the hardware in question that they already own. There are other BBC BRs they'd like to buy, so this isn't for a one-off. Thanks for any advice.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:15 PM   #104
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Well, it hasn't. They had trouble with the discs as they are evidently outputting 50hz. They can hear sound, but there is no image at all (black screen after the initial BR player warm up screen) and "Incompatible Resolution" or something like that is pops up on the Onkyo's front panel. When I was over during the holidays, I upgraded the BR player to the latest firmware.
Might not work, but did you try connecting directly from the player to the plasma TV, just in case it might?
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:35 PM   #105
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Might not work, but did you try connecting directly from the player to the plasma TV, just in case it might?
i have a similar experience and tried the direct connection as well

- i bought the recently released UK BD set of Wallander hoping it would work - it almost did! - the discs would play in my panasonic player (BD85)- but only the soundtrack would come through the system - no picture on the panasonic tv (PZ750U)(same result bypassing the Onkyo (SR805) receiver - hdmi both cases)
- oddly, when researching this i had come across references that my specific panasonic tv would play the region free 50hz discs but that the player likely would not!
- by any chance does anyone know if there is any sort of different setting for the tv that would allow it?
-or if there is any facilty within the Onkyo that would fix problem (did not work with standard settings nor with the onkyo bypassed as mentioned above)
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Old 01-24-2011, 07:15 PM   #106
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Might not work, but did you try connecting directly from the player to the plasma TV, just in case it might?
No luck!
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:50 PM   #107
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I am having a problem, and I can't seem to find an answer. I am in the US and have a Panasonic BD65 player w/ the latest firmware. I have the UK BBC version of Life (purchased from Amazon UK) which plays fine. Based on that, I went and bought the UK version of An Idiot Abroad from Amazon UK. I just received it yesterday, and it will not play - I get the disclaimer screen and the logo screen, but the screen goes blank when it gets to the menus. If I hit 'play', I get audio, but still a black screen. I was under the impression that Life was 50 Hz, so if I could play that, I could play An Idiot Abroad. Apparently, that is not the case - anyone know what the problem may be? It seems like Life and An Idiot Abroad are actually different formats, but I was under the impression they were both 1080i/50.

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Old 02-05-2011, 10:15 PM   #108
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I am having a problem, and I can't seem to find an answer. I am in the US and have a Panasonic BD65 player w/ the latest firmware. I have the UK BBC version of Life (purchased from Amazon UK) which plays fine. Based on that, I went and bought the UK version of An Idiot Abroad from Amazon UK. I just received it yesterday, and it will not play - I get the disclaimer screen and the logo screen, but the screen goes blank when it gets to the menus. If I hit 'play', I get audio, but still a black screen. I was under the impression that Life was 50 Hz, so if I could play that, I could play An Idiot Abroad. Apparently, that is not the case - anyone know what the problem may be? It seems like Life and An Idiot Abroad are actually different formats, but I was under the impression they were both 1080i/50.

Thanks!
So you played the UK BD of Life (which is 50hz), and it worked fine with your Panasonic BD65, and when you played the UK BD of "An Idiot Abroad" the screen goes blank after the logos etc.

Did you change the player's firmware (or the TVs?) between when you successfully played the Life Blu-ray and when you played the 'An Idiot Abroad' Blu-ray?

What BD65 firmware version are you currently using? Have you tried re-playing the 'Life' Blu-ray now (since you tried the other BD) and if so does it still play okay?

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Old 02-08-2011, 02:36 PM   #109
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I figured out my problem. It turns out the copy of Life that I have is not the 50 HZ verasion - after looking back at my on-line receipts, I realized I bought it through Barnes and Noble's website. I was thinking that the only version available in the US was the Oprah version, and that is where I went wrong (I have the Attenborough version). So, at least for my sanity, I now know that I can't play 50 HZ blu-rays with my player/TV combination. My solution was to buy an LG player and put the Panasonic on a secondary TV. As a side note, it also resolved my frustrating problem of not being able to play Iron Man 2 on my main TV - the Panasonic player would go through a reboot loop every time I selected 'Play' from the disc menu.
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:01 AM   #110
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Really? Whenever my Samsung BDP2500 encounters PAL content, I just get a blank screen, and my Panasonic projector accepts 50/60Hz input. The 2500 is the exact same player as the 2550, just different firmware on the 2550 to support Pandora.
Yes it works.. i got plenty of Pal 50i titles.. I tested on my friend C6900 (samsung) and it works too...

It's 50i disc, don't play in a PS3, SonY BD Player, confirmed by my PC Bluray software..
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:31 PM   #111
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The Insignia NS-WBRDVD2 and NS-BRDVD4 can both play 1080/50i material.
This I have tested with the UK blus of [REC], Sommers Town and the extra features from City of the Living Dead.
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Old 02-28-2011, 06:06 PM   #112
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The Insignia NS-WBRDVD2 and NS-BRDVD4 can both play 1080/50i material.
This I have tested with the UK blus of [REC], Sommers Town and the extra features from City of the Living Dead.
Thanks. I've added them to the list.
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Old 03-03-2011, 02:59 AM   #113
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This is a thread to list all US Blu-ray players and whether they are compatible with 50hz Blu-ray content (eg. 50i/50p). Usually this means 1080/50i, which could contain either 50i interlaced content or 25p progressive content.

All European Blu-ray players are obviously compatible.


US Blu-ray Players compatible with 50hz content:

Denon DBP1610 [Outputs 50hz content at 50hz - cannot convert 50hz content to another refresh rate]
Denon DVD-2500BT
Insignia NS-BRDVD3 [Plays PAL SD, playback of 1080/50i content unconfirmed. Can be made region free]
Insignia NS-BRDVD4
Insignia NS-WBRDVD2
LG BD 370 [Can convert 50hz content to 60hz]
LG BD 570
LG BD 590
LG BH100 [Outputs 50hz content at 50hz - cannot convert 50hz content to another refresh rate]
LG BH200 [Outputs 50hz content at 60hz]
Momitsu BDP-799
Momitsu BDP-899. [Can be made region free]
Oppo BDP-80 [Can convert 50hz content to 60hz]
Oppo BDP-83 [Can convert 50hz content to 60hz]
Panasonic DMP-BD30 prior to firmware 1.6
Panasonic DMP-BD60 [Outputs 50hz content at 50hz]
Panasonic DMP-BD605
Panasonic DMP-BD65 [Outputs 50hz content at 50hz]
Panasonic DMP-BD85 [Outputs 50hz content at 50hz]
Pioneer Elite BDP-05FD [Outputs 50hz content at 50hz, also up-converts 50hz content]
Pioneer BDP-320 [Outputs 50hz content at 50hz]
Pioneer BDP-51FD [Outputs 50hz content at 50hz, also up-converts 50hz content]
Samsung BD-C5500
Samsung BD-C6900
Samsung BD-P1000
Samsung BD-P1200
Samsung BD-P1400
Samsung BD-P1500 [Outputs 50hz content at 60hz]
Samsung BD-P1600 [Outputs 50hz content at 60hz]
Samsung BD-P2500 (with latest firmware)
Samsung BD-P2550 [Outputs 50hz content at 60hz]
Sherwood BDP-5004 [Can be made region free]

Note: You will need a 50hz compatible display to play back 50hz content with some of the above US players (eg. Panasonic DMP-BD60) or use a video processor to convert it to a compatible rate.

Other players (including the Samsung players) convert the content to another frame rate (eg. 60hz) so they don't need a 50hz compatible TV.

US Blu-ray Players NOT compatible with 50hz content:


Panasonic DMP-BD30 with firmware 1.6 or later
Panasonic DMP-BD35
Panasonic DMP-BD55
Sony BDP-S350
Sony BDP-S550
Sony BDP-S570
Sony Playstation 3


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Old 03-08-2011, 07:09 PM   #114
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The Sony BDP-S560 also does not have 50hz compatibility.
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The Sony BDP-S560 also does not have 50hz compatibility.
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Anyone tried the Panasonic DMP BD80?

It is very similar to the DMP BD60 which is on the compatibility list. Also, the next year models 65 & 85 are also compatible.

Iím tempted to buy the Planet Earth 6 disc Special Edition to avoid many of the image quality problems as seen on the earlier 4 & 5 disc releases. But, I donít want to buy an expensive 6 coaster set

Also, if it turns out that my DMP BD 80 player is compatible I think it would output 50Hz as 50Hz so Iíd need to know if my display is compatible with 50Hz & it does not say in the specs.

Display is Panasonic TH65PZ850U

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Old 03-28-2011, 12:06 AM   #117
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I realize that all European players can have 50hz compatibility but which ones, if any, can convert to 60hz for American HDTVs? I'm in the USA and looking for a UK BD player that will work with my TV and handle PAL->NTSC conversion.
I don't know. I tried the UK Panasonic DMP-BD80, and on TV/device connection I tried setting the TV system to "NTSC" but it still outputs 1080/50i content as at 50hz. So the UK BD80 doesn't do what you want.

Wouldn't one of the USA Blu-ray players be more likely to do it - and couldn't you get one that could be made region-free?

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Old 04-01-2011, 08:36 PM   #118
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Does one get true 1080p when the signal needs to be converted from PAL to NTSC? I know the PAL resolution is higher so does that get taken away during conversion? I'm beginning to wonder if a multi region blu ray player is necessary if I'm not able to watch it in the highest of quality.

Edit: I'm mainly talking about when a blu is region B locked, etc.

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Does one get true 1080p when the signal needs to be converted from PAL to NTSC? I know the PAL resolution is higher so does that get taken away during conversion?

I'm beginning to wonder if a multi region blu ray player is necessary if I'm not able to watch it in the highest of quality.

Edit: I'm mainly talking about when a blu is region B locked, etc.
I think Kjack in the insider's section should be able to give a better answer on this - since his company makes the chips that get put in Blu-ray players/TVs etc. that can do conversions etc.
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Does one get true 1080p when the signal needs to be converted from PAL to NTSC? I know the PAL resolution is higher so does that get taken away during conversion?
PAL and NTSC usually refer to standard definition resolutions.
eg. PAL=576 visible lines at 50 fields per sec, and NTSC=480 visible lines at 60 fields per sec.

There are similar formats in HD (eg. Blu-ray allows 1920x1080/50i and 1920x1080/60i - both using the same number of pixels in each field, but the 60i version using more fields per second. It also allows 1080p24 and other formats.).

Amazon UK often puts "PAL" next to a UK Blu-ray title, whether or not there is any "PAL" (576/50i) or 1080/50i content on it.

eg. Amazon UK may put "PAL" next to a UK Blu-ray that is encoded at 1080p24 (eg. a feature film). Assuming you have a player that can play it back (eg. the title isn't region code restricted, or you have a mult-region player), you won't lose any quality - it will stay at 1080p24 (if your TV is 1080p24 compatible - or will get converted to 1080p60 if it isn't - where it may get 2:3 pull-down judder).

If the disc is encoded at 1080/50i, with 25Hz motion (eg. Planet Earth, special edition) - do you get a "true 1080p signal"? Not really, if the encoding is at 50i - it could be output as 1080p but decoded from progressive segmented frames in an interlaced signal - in theory it could be just as good as 1080p25 (when de-interlaced). In fact the UK Planet Earth special edition (50i) is said to be better quality than the originally released Planet Earth (24p) as well as being at the correct frame rate (well the version that has been corrected anyway).

There's more to resolution than what it's encoded at or shot at. eg. discs such as Planet Earth/Life etc. may have better effective resolution than other discs encoded at 1080p24, despite being mostly shot on cameras that recorded at lower than 1080p resolution. Also, for European TV programmes, having the version that is encoded at 50i instead of 24p means you're getting the correct speed and correct audio (how it was originally mastered), also things like credits should be twice as smooth - since they will usually be done at 50i (50Hz motion).

Will a title converted from 1080/50i to 1080/60i by a Blu-ray player lose quality? Possibly, a bit. Whenever you convert from one format to another and aren't outputting at a multiple of the original frame/field rate you will lose/change something. If the player repeats frames/fields to make it into 1080/60i, it may look slightly less smooth (a bit like when you watch a 24p Blu-ray on a 60Hz TV). If it interpolates instead, the motion could look slightly too smooth or slightly un-natural or frames might be slightly blended. The spatial resolution might be affected. This is what Kjack said about the interpolation feature of TVs:
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The resolution may be changed during processing, as some solutions upscale ~2x, do some processing, then downscale back to 1080p. This is to minimize alias artifacts during frame rate conversion processing.

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