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Old 10-22-2014, 10:00 AM   #201
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Maybe that's true in today's market. But not necessarily. Taste the Blood of Dracula (Hammer, 1970) had plenty of blood in it, but no gore. Blood From the Mummy's Tomb (Hammer, 1971) had a severed hand and I think a severed tongue, but no blood, and no gore. The House That Dripped Blood (Amicus, 1970) had violence but no blood whatsoever, and no gore. There must be plenty of films with "blood" or "bloody" in the title but no gore. Some people go to horror films for the gore, other people don't.

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Old 10-22-2014, 10:55 AM   #202
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Well I love gore in horror movies and I find it very entertaining when it's used imaginatively. I cant quite wrap my head around an apparent horror fan not liking gore but you've said your peace so lets move on from this subject.
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Old 10-22-2014, 12:31 PM   #203
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Well I love gore in horror movies and I find it very entertaining when it's used imaginatively. I cant quite wrap my head around an apparent horror fan not liking gore but you've said your peace so lets move on from this subject.
I don't like gore either and I'm a huge horror fan. Frankly your statement is dumb.
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I don't like gore either and I'm a huge horror fan. Frankly your statement is dumb.
Fair enough. I don't see why it's dumb when it's the truth though. I can't understand a horror fan not liking gore in a horror movie. Unless you're calling ME dumb. Which seems completely unecessary.
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Fair enough. I don't see why it's dumb when it's the truth though. I can't understand a horror fan not liking gore in a horror movie. Unless you're calling ME dumb. Which seems completely unecessary.
Horror movies are about scaring people, which has NOTHING to do with gore. Most of the best loved horror films of our time have very little, to no gore whatsoever in them.

I didn't call YOU dumb, I called your blanket 'statement' dumb.
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Horror movies are about scaring people, which has NOTHING to do with gore. Most of the best loved horror films of our time have very little, to no gore whatsoever in them.

I didn't call YOU dumb, I called your blanket 'statement' dumb.
What blanket statement? I said I cant understand why a horror fan wouldn't like gore. That's how I feel. I've made no blanket statement, just expressed an opinion. It's the truth, I guess I can't wrap my (simple) mind around it. I'm not saying horror movies are dependant on gore, I have never said that. I have never also disputed that one can have a good horror movie without gore. Halloween is an awesome movie. I don't need to be convinced that non gory horror movies can be good as I know they can. For years horror fans have been bemoaning how so many horror movies are sanitized and PG13 and made for kids. I'm amazed that there are horror fans out there that actually want kid friendly horror, that's all. But lets not dwell on this, its not worth any of us getting bent out of shape over. We all feel differently I guess.
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To fully embrace horror, surely one must embrace the 'gore' aspect ? The zombie sub-genre alone contains gore as a rule. As a massive horror fan, I wouldn't limit myself to non-gory horror movies.
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To fully embrace horror, surely one must embrace the 'gore' aspect ? The zombie sub-genre alone contains gore as a rule. As a massive horror fan, I wouldn't limit myself to non-gory horror movies.
Agreed but its not just that. It's the complaining about the amount of gore in a HORROR movie! Its nuts, it's horror, not rom com.
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Agreed but its not just that. It's the complaining about the amount of gore in a HORROR movie! Its nuts, it's horror, not rom com.
Having said that, most rom-coms are a bloody mess!
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What blanket statement? I said I cant understand why a horror fan wouldn't like gore. That's how I feel. I've made no blanket statement, just expressed an opinion. It's the truth, I guess I can't wrap my (simple) mind around it. I'm not saying horror movies are dependant on gore, I have never said that. I have never also disputed that one can have a good horror movie without gore. Halloween is an awesome movie. I don't need to be convinced that non gory horror movies can be good as I know they can. For years horror fans have been bemoaning how so many horror movies are sanitized and PG13 and made for kids. I'm amazed that there are horror fans out there that actually want kid friendly horror, that's all. But lets not dwell on this, its not worth any of us getting bent out of shape over. We all feel differently I guess.
Which is a blanket statement. You are saying that all horror fans MUST like gore, which simply isn't true.

I don't want kid friendly horror, but nor do I want gore just for the sake of it. I don't need to see blood and guts to know someone has been killed and in fact 'gore' has far more in common with torture porn than it does with horror. Most 18 horror movies aren't 18 because of gore anyways, they are 18 because of the psychological horror elements.

Horror is about scaring people which can and until the 1980's was (apart from zombie films which I have no interest in because of the gore and well things that move an inch an hour just aren't scary to me) done without gore. There is pretty much no gore in The Exorcist, The Omen or even Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Halloween is NOT gory either and gore didn't really start to creep in until those dreadful Evil Dead movies and the 'video nasty' generation.

If anything bloody gorefests are a sub genre of horror films.
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Which is a blanket statement. You are saying that all horror fans MUST like gore, which simply isn't true.

I don't want kid friendly horror, but nor do I want gore just for the sake of it. I don't need to see blood and guts to know someone has been killed and in fact 'gore' has far more in common with torture porn than it does with horror. Most 18 horror movies aren't 18 because of gore anyways, they are 18 because of the psychological horror elements.

Horror is about scaring people which can and until the 1980's was (apart from zombie films which I have no interest in because of the gore and well things that move an inch an hour just aren't scary to me) done without gore. There is pretty much no gore in The Exorcist, The Omen or even Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Halloween is NOT gory either and gore didn't really start to creep in until those dreadful Evil Dead movies and the 'video nasty' generation.

If anything bloody gorefests are a sub genre of horror films.
If you are using the term " video nasty" at face value without aknowledging the stupidity of that particular moral panic and the kneejerk censorship led by idiots like Mary Whitehouse, then you really shouldn't call yourself a "huge horror fan". The last thing i need is someone wagging their finger at me while turning up their noses at anything that may not be in immaculate taste.. If you don't embrace all sorts of different styles of horror, you aren't a " huge horror fan". Your a dabbler.

Whenever I tell someone that I love horror films and they give me that speech about how the scariest thing is always what you don't see and that not showing gore is always best, they have just become the most boring person in the world to me. Different approaches work for different types of films. The Innocents aid great, but so is Re-Animator.

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If you are using the term " video nasty" at face value without aknowledging the stupidity of that particular moral panic and the kneejerk censorship led by idiots like Mary Whitehouse, then you really shouldn't call yourself a "huge horror fan". The last thing i need is someone wagging their finger at me while turning up their noses at anything that may not be in immaculate taste.. If you don't embrace all sorts of different styles of horror, you aren't a " huge horror fan". Your a dabbler.

Whenever I tell someone that I love horror films and they give me that speech about how the scariest thing is always what you don't see and that not showing gore is always best, they have just become the most boring person in the world to me. Different approaches work for different types of films. The Innocents aid great, but so is Re-Animator.
An American Werewolf In London was quite gory. It's also in my top 50 horrors of all time.
Scream, REC, Silence Of The Lambs and The Fly are other classics that can certainly be considered gory. Like the previous poster mentioned (sorry you mentioned) it's whatever suits the material.

So to summarise, if you guys would be so kind to indulge me, here is my list of top ten horror and gore rating (my opinion)just for reference.

1 halloween gore 3/10
2. The exorcist 3/10
3. AAWIL 8/10
4. SOTL 8/10
5. the Fly 9/10
6. Alien 6/10
7. The Sixth Sense 6/10
8. Scream 10/10
9. Carrie (original obviously) 6/10
10. The shining 6/10

As you can see, a complete mixed bag but if I had refused scenes with gore I would have missed out on some of my favourite movies of all time.
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If you are using the term " video nasty" at face value without aknowledging the stupidity of that particular moral panic and the kneejerk censorship led by idiots like Mary Whitehouse, then you really shouldn't call yourself a "huge horror fan". The last thing i need is someone wagging their finger at me while turning up their noses at anything that may not be in immaculate taste.. If you don't embrace all sorts of different styles of horror, you aren't a " huge horror fan". Your a dabbler.

Whenever I tell someone that I love horror films and they give me that speech about how the scariest thing is always what you don't see and that not showing gore is always best, they have just become the most boring person in the world to me. Different approaches work for different types of films. The Innocents aid great, but so is Re-Animator.
Wrong choice of words, I meant that 80's horror tended to really trade on 'gore' more than actual scares.

I think the word gore itself needs to be clarified a little here. I wouldn't consider even the My Bloody Valentine remake as really that gory as the gore is played for the 3D gimmick and is more funny than scary. In fact I wouldn't consider most American mainstream horror very gory apart from torture porn and zombie movies, which as I stated before, would surely only be scary to quadriplegics or people with no limbs.

I don't really have any problems with quick murder stuff and a shot of the aftermath. I can even tolerate extreme violence if it has a point and fits the story. I love most of the French 'new horror' stuff and that is all what I would consider extremely gory. Martyrs is one of my all-time favorite films and you don't get much more gory and violent than that. Haute Tension was also great and very gory. Inside and Frontiers though I wasn't fussed on because they crossed the 'gore' line for me, even though Inside was great up until the final act which was just way too over the top.

Japanese horror like The Ring, Ju-on and Dark Water were not even remotely gory, but I would class all 3 as horror classics and as I said before, the big 5 horror classics of our time, The Shining, TCSM, The Omen, The Exorcist and Halloween all contain very little gore.
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I also love Martyrs although i found that movie to be WAY more disturbing that Frontiers which i also loved. It's not just that Martyrs is graphic, it's that it gets under your skin and stays with you afterwards, pretty powerful stuff. I enjoyed the director more recent movie, The Tall Man even more, although it's very tame compared to Martyrs.

Shame MBV 3D never got a sequel. It's also a shame that the same years Friday the 13th remake wasn't done in 3D.
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