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Old 07-29-2014, 07:14 AM   #1081
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Unfortunately they recut the original downer ending of Conquest into something positive.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:04 PM   #1082
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A popular film series today could never get away with the downer, bleak, depressing endings these films delivered back then.
Harry Potter, Nolan's Batman? Those are the only other ones that come to my mind.
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Old 07-29-2014, 01:33 PM   #1083
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I don't remember Conquest at all. Please tell me it's at least a bit lighter? Not sure if I can stomach five movies in a row that make me want to jump off a bridge.

That said, they're all still fun to watch. Mostly
Conquest ? light?
It is the only one NOT rated G, so....

I wouldn't call the ending of Conquest depressing, in fact, it is rather triumphant, for lack of a better word, so it is kinda-sorta a "happy" ending ?
All how you interpret it I suppose.

But the good news for you is that Battle For is much lighter, kiddie stuff.
Then you can watch the TV series, which is even more light.
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Old 07-29-2014, 02:50 PM   #1084
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I wouldn't call the director of The Guns of Navarone a hack. I always find something interesting in his films.
I very much like GUNS OF NAVARONE and CAPE FEAR and think them very well directed, but then Thompson followed with TARAS BULBA, KINGS OF THE SUN, WHAT A WAY TO GO!, and JOHN GOLDFARB, PLEASE COME HOME. And later would come one of the most bizarre westerns ever, MACKENNA'S GOLD.

It speaks for itself.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:56 PM   #1085
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Mackenna's Gold is great. I really like Reincarnation of Peter Proud as well.
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Old 07-29-2014, 05:01 PM   #1086
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But the good news for you is that Battle For is much lighter, kiddie stuff.
Battle is very sad. As a kid I was devastated when
[Show spoiler] Aldo killed Caesar's son. Then the pathetic Aldo is shamed & killed in retribution
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Old 07-29-2014, 05:12 PM   #1087
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A popular film series today could never get away with the downer, bleak, depressing endings these films delivered back then.
No kidding. The 70s as a whole had a lot of bleak movies.

It seemed to be a real trend at the time to try and depress your audience as much as you could.
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Old 07-29-2014, 05:20 PM   #1088
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No kidding. The 70s as a whole had a lot of bleak movies.

It seemed to be a real trend at the time to try and depress your audience as much as you could.
...and then George Lucas decided to change that trend
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:25 PM   #1089
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I bought the set at WM recently. The original was the only one I really knew, the sequels I hadn't seen since they aired on TV sometime in the early 90s. I'm telling you, I'm not sure I can take many more "downer" endings. The end of Beneath was more bizarre than depressing, but the end of Escape... Good Lord, I felt like I needed a hug. The movie as a whole didn't seem to be mean spirited; the first act was actually kind of sweet. But holy shit, thing went from zero to gut punch pretty fast near the end.

I don't remember Conquest at all. Please tell me it's at least a bit lighter? Not sure if I can stomach five movies in a row that make me want to jump off a bridge.

That said, they're all still fun to watch. Mostly
I recently went though all 5 for a friend that had never seen them. His reaction was priceless. It seem his jaw dropped more with each film's ending. He liked all 5, yes even BATTLE. I was surprised he actually liked BATTLE a lot. He was also very much affected by the less than happy endings of all. Devastated by ESCAPE. His reaction to all was that he views them know what time they come from (produced) and understood the short comings of production. He said he was completely taken in by the characters and drama that unfolded which held it all together. It was for presentation of the characters and the excellent acting he felt the films blows away most film today where the acting tries to be so real it comes of understated and boring. Also, he really like the look of the film's the lighting, color and production design.

It was great experiencing it thought someone in a fresh way. I have to say it bought back memories when I saw they in the theater for the first time (Escape, Conquest & Battle) in their original release. (Years later I did see all 5 in a GO APE re-release, but that wasn't a fresh audience).

He was excited when RISE first came out but didn't get a change to go. He did watch later on cable and hated it for many reasons.
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Old 07-30-2014, 01:50 AM   #1090
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So I ordered the older collection with the pics of the apes, amazon said (at the time) it would take an additional 10 days (for whatever reason). So I wait and got it 2 weeks later. Upon receiving the package, I noticed it wasn't as thick as it should be. Welp, they sent me the new collection instead (which was in stock at the time I ordered). They screwed themselves out of $25 b/c it's $45 on their website (I know it's only $19.99+tax @ BB). I know it's stupidly nit-picky, but I wanted the version with the apes on the covers. Since there is no difference as far as disc content, it's slimmer and I saved money, I'm gonna keep it (don't really have the room for the bulkier set anyway). I'm disappointed though that I had to wait all that time, just to get what I coulda gotten at least 10 days earlier (which woulda been preferable). Can't wait to see that 2 hour documentary and the additional footage in some of the movies!
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Old 07-30-2014, 11:11 AM   #1091
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So I ordered the older collection with the pics of the apes, amazon said (at the time) it would take an additional 10 days (for whatever reason). So I wait and got it 2 weeks later. Upon receiving the package, I noticed it wasn't as thick as it should be. Welp, they sent me the new collection instead (which was in stock at the time I ordered). They screwed themselves out of $25 b/c it's $45 on their website (I know it's only $19.99+tax @ BB). I know it's stupidly nit-picky, but I wanted the version with the apes on the covers. Since there is no difference as far as disc content, it's slimmer and I saved money, I'm gonna keep it (don't really have the room for the bulkier set anyway). I'm disappointed though that I had to wait all that time, just to get what I coulda gotten at least 10 days earlier (which woulda been preferable). Can't wait to see that 2 hour documentary and the additional footage in some of the movies!
I have the set you originally tired to get and hate the way the discs are held in place - stupid rubber glued to the book that fits into the hold at the center of the disc) In time it can come off and rip the book. So I decided to get the set for $20 at BB since the website stated it was in stock at my local store - it wasn't. I then ordered it from BB and it took them 2 weeks to process it and send it. Meanwhile it came back in stock in 2 days at the store even though the sales person looked it up and it said none on order - also the BB website had stated on store pick-up.
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Old 07-31-2014, 12:35 AM   #1092
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Man, that sucks! I can't believe their computer said they didn't have anymore on the way, they've got a deal going on, they have to at least try to keep it stocked until the promotion is over. Then their website saying it would take 2 weeks for you to get it, what a load of b.s.
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Old 07-31-2014, 03:15 AM   #1093
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I have the set you originally tired to get and hate the way the discs are held in place - stupid rubber glued to the book that fits into the hold at the center of the disc) In time it can come off and rip the book.
I had that set long enough to remove one disc and try putting it back on the rubber hub and think "Yeah...this isn't going to work," before ordering a five-disc BD case.
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Old 07-31-2014, 11:06 PM   #1094
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FOX did the same thing with THE OMEN, except they really went cheap with the box/fold out packaging. At least they've dropped that way of doing things.
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Conquest was pretty good. Nothing to complain about, really. But yeah, not only was the revised ending poorly done, but it was pretty out of nowhere in the context of what came before. I imagine all of Caesar's gorillas were over there going WTF?

Easily the best one since the original. Now, do I go forward with Battle? I've heard nothing but bad about it but I suppose I've come this far...
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If you go on to Battle, just make sure it's the "extended" cut. It's still a pretty lousy movie, but at least that version has a little more meat to its story.
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If you go on to Battle, just make sure it's the "extended" cut. It's still a pretty lousy movie, but at least that version has a little more meat to its story.
I'll do theatrical first. Gotta see 'em the way everyone else did.

If I survive, I'll do extended some day.
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I'll do theatrical first. Gotta see 'em the way everyone else did.

If I survive, I'll do extended some day.
Until the late 80's, the only version that appeared on television was the extended cut. So unless you saw it in the theater, the extended cut is what you knew.
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