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Old 12-12-2015, 02:19 PM   #521
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I'm not arguing, but I realize those where links in his post. I clicked them, and read them. My point was there are no dedicated 'defective disc' threads as there is for Total Recall with 500+ posts.
Sure, because the first time something like this occurs on a widespread scale it always garners a lot of 'headlines', especially because a lot of the discourse is taken up with people initially wondering what the problem is, if/how they can fix it, whether there will be an exchange from the studios etc etc.

But when it happens again and again and again with other branched TrueHD titles then the same collective who pushed said thread to 500+ posts have a better idea of what the issue is and whether it can be resolved, hence there's MUCH less hand-wringing on the matter so answers tend to come a lot more quickly: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....truehd+dropout and http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....truehd+dropout

Same with the recent Sony black crush problem: now that it's out in the open, if any more discs were to come along with that issue then there wouldn't be a massive thread newly dedicated to it or anything, people would just mention it in the respective movie threads and update the main one.
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:50 PM   #522
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If you find some models that look promising, maybe run them by us before ordering to avoid having to make another return.
Ok thanks. I appreciate that.

If I can't find anything, I'll probably just wait and save up for an Oppo 103. My wallet will take a beating, but since I don't want to deal with anymore issues, I'll feel more at ease knowing I'm buying the best player out there.
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Sure, because the first time something like this occurs on a widespread scale it always garners a lot of 'headlines', especially because a lot of the discourse is taken up with people initially wondering what the problem is, if/how they can fix it, whether there will be an exchange from the studios etc etc.

But when it happens again and again and again with other branched TrueHD titles then the same collective who pushed said thread to 500+ posts have a better idea of what the issue is and whether it can be resolved, hence there's MUCH less hand-wringing on the matter so answers tend to come a lot more quickly: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....truehd+dropout and http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....truehd+dropout

Same with the recent Sony black crush problem: now that it's out in the open, if any more discs were to come along with that issue then there wouldn't be a massive thread newly dedicated to it or anything, people would just mention it in the respective movie threads and update the main one.
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The takeaway: Sony is evil, and just doesn't care!
I heartily agree with you sir!
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I'm actually quite curious as to whether someone has played this particular director's cut on an Oppo 103 (or 105) and been able to stream it lossless to their a/v processor without audio issues (and without having to fallback to internal PCM conversion).

I've seen mention of other titles possibly being dealt with properly with those Oppos, but I don't recall having seen any specific mention of success with this particular release of Total Recall.

(I have the 103, but my receiver's lossless handling is limited to multi-channel PCM, so I can't check it myself. But would be good to know for future reference if something were to happen to my receiver (which is quite likely the only way it's ever getting replaced). (Edit: I just noticed that back in October my receiver had its 10th birthday as the centerpiece of my system.)

Anybody?

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Old 12-13-2015, 02:27 AM   #527
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If you find some models that look promising, maybe run them by us before ordering to avoid having to make another return.
Do you know if the Samsung BD-J5100 player is any good? It's on sale at Best Buy tomorrow and it has pretty good reviews. I never really liked Samsung due to the issues I had with their players six years ago, but looking at the reviews, it seems as though they've come a long way over the years. So, I'm willing to give their players another chance if they are indeed good.

Update- After more research, it looks like the Panasonic DMP-BDT460 is a good player. The manual is not fully clear, but I think it might decode to PCM. And the reviews are very good. It's about $170 at Amazon, which isn't too bad.
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Do you know if the Samsung BD-J5100 player is any good? It's on sale at Best Buy tomorrow and it has pretty good reviews. I never really liked Samsung due to the issues I had with their players six years ago, but looking at the reviews, it seems as though they've come a long way over the years. So, I'm willing to give their players another chance if they are indeed good.

Update- After more research, it looks like the Panasonic DMP-BDT460 is a good player. The manual is not fully clear, but I think it might decode to PCM. And the reviews are very good. It's about $170 at Amazon, which isn't too bad.
That Panny seems to fit the bill, except it's new enough that it doesn't have the uniphier chip, so you'll still encounter the same issue while bitstreaming. As long as you're fine with the player decoding, that player should work. Gotta go a little older if you want to avoid a MediaTek chip.

I don't know about that specific Samsung player, but from everything I've read, it seems to be the general consensus that their players are terrible.
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Old 12-13-2015, 07:18 AM   #529
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That Panny seems to fit the bill, except it's new enough that it doesn't have the uniphier chip, so you'll still encounter the same issue while bitstreaming. As long as you're fine with the player decoding, that player should work. Gotta go a little older if you want to avoid a MediaTek chip.

I don't know about that specific Samsung player, but from everything I've read, it seems to be the general consensus that their players are terrible.
Ok, thanks. It's very hard to go older since older models are discontinued and it's very hard to find reputable retailers that still have new ones in stock. I can try to keep looking but if there's nothing I can find, I may give the Panasonic DMP-BDT460 a try. Looks like a great player too... even has two HDMI ports, which is not something you see very often.
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Ok, thanks. It's very hard to go older since older models are discontinued and it's very hard to find reputable retailers that still have new ones in stock. I can try to keep looking but if there's nothing I can find, I may give the Panasonic DMP-BDT460 a try. Looks like a great player too... even has two HDMI ports (one of which you can use specifically for audio if you prefer to separate the video and audio connections), which is not something you see very often.
It should be a fine player. And the two HDMI ports is because it's a 3D player. Hope it works out.
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I'm actually quite curious as to whether someone has played this particular director's cut on an Oppo 103 (or 105) and been able to stream it lossless to their a/v processor without audio issues (and without having to fallback to internal PCM conversion).

I've seen mention of other titles possibly being dealt with properly with those Oppos, but I don't recall having seen any specific mention of success with this particular release of Total Recall.

(I have the 103, but my receiver's lossless handling is limited to multi-channel PCM, so I can't check it myself. But would be good to know for future reference if something were to happen to my receiver (which is quite likely the only way it's ever getting replaced). (Edit: I just noticed that back in October my receiver had its 10th birthday as the centerpiece of my system.)

Anybody?

The Oppo BDP-103 plays back Total Recall via bitstream perfectly. Just checked.
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The Oppo BDP-103 plays back Total Recall via bitstream perfectly. Just checked.
Wow, that encourages me even more to save up for that player. And it also DEFINITELY decodes to PCM multi as well, so even if it didn't bitstream properly, there's still that alternative.

If they are correct in saying, "you get what you pay for," then I see no reason why that unit won't be worth that hefty price tag. I'm very anal when it comes to BD players playing properly, which is one of the reasons I haven't been having great luck with my recent BD player purchases. I guess I can't go wrong with an Oppo 103. There's always ways to save up and I think I'll do just that and save up for that player. Though, the Panasonic DMP-BDT460 looks tempting as it's less than half the price and looks like a great player. Even one reviewer of the Oppo said on Amazon that he returned the Oppo player due to problems and bought the Panasonic DMP-BDT460, which he claimed worked better. Hmm. Decisions decisions...
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Thanks, THX Peter

I wait UHD 4K player will be out.

I have couple of bluray players. Enough. I not want third. I feel not like an idiot.
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After I put back my Sony BDP-S360 and hooked it back up temporarily until I get a new player, I decided to test my TOTAL RECALL disc again just for the hell of it. I wanted to be certain I wasn't going out of my mind when testing this disc on the new players I was getting. Well, I played the extended version and specifically tested the ending credits where the other players had issues. There are still no audio issues whatsoever when playing on the Sony BDP-S360. Not a single little hiccup in the audio. So something is not right in these new players. Apparently, newer players (even 2015 players still being made today) are using that bad chip that is problematic on these seamless branching titles. What puzzles me to no end is why Sony continues to manufacture new players that still have issues with this disc. Like I said, their 2015 players are still problematic. 2015 SONY players having issues on a 2012 SONY title is just downright unacceptable. Apparently, Sony hasn't received enough complaints about this issue to bother working on resolving the problem.
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Like I said, their 2015 players are still problematic. 2015 SONY players having issues on a 2012 SONY title is just downright unacceptable. Apparently, Sony hasn't received enough complaints about this issue to bother working on resolving the problem.

Sony Home Entertainment is about as related to Sony Electronics as the IRS is to the National Park Service. 2 vastly different entities under the same extremely wide umbrella.
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That Panny seems to fit the bill, except it's new enough that it doesn't have the uniphier chip, so you'll still encounter the same issue while bitstreaming. As long as you're fine with the player decoding, that player should work. Gotta go a little older if you want to avoid a MediaTek chip.
I found a Best Buy that had the Panasonic DMP-BDT460 in stock for $160, so I went ahead and bought it. When bitstreaming, it has the exact same problem as the Sony. So you were correct in that regard. But like you said, this player has the ability to decode to PCM Multi and that fixes the issue. The sound is still fantastic, so I guess it's ok to forgo the bitstreaming option. On the plus side, I now get secondary audio, which was something I always had to sacrifice.

It's only been a couple of days and I only had a chance to test out a few of my movies, but so far, this player seems like a winner. It's fast and so far, it seems to be rock solid. I had to replace my old Sony player because the HDMI port was starting to fail on me. With this Panny player, there are two HDMI ports and I assume I could use the second one if the first one starts failing at some point in the future, which I hope that doesn't happen.

Overall, I'm very happy with the player. Thank you for your help.
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I would just like to know if the disc issue has been resolved or not?

I love science fiction, and the original is great in many ways, but it's just too darn violent for me.

I have an Oppo-BDP-83SE, and use the analogue outputs.
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I would jsut like to know if the disc issue has been resolved or not?

I love science fiction, and the original is great in many ways, but it's just too darn violent for me.

I have an Oppo-BDP-83SE, and use the analogue outputs.
Was there even a problem with the analog playback? Thought is was a streaming Dolby TrueHD specific issue. Presumably it's digitally decoded and converted to analog inside the player so it should be ok. (Just like when it's digitally decoded/translated to LPCM inside the player and then it's ok when streamed as LPCM.)

There is no replacement disc, if that was your real question.
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