Xbox 720 Leak Being Widely Reported by 56 Page Document on 'Net

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by tigertron

To see how the internet community would react to cloud gaming? possibly.

I for one shudder at the thought of cloud gaming. As I've said before, you can't beat physical ownership and I'd hate to stream games and not actually own them. Bandwidth caps would prevent many gamers from playing their games and then theres the lag...

The good things about this 'rumoured' console is that it'll have Blu-ray and be 6-8x more powerful than the 360 and release at about £200-220. Thats a pretty amazing price for a next-gen console, but I remain skeptical.

Dream on with that price point if it includes everything suggested. No way that system launches with blu ray, Kinect v2, hardware based backwards compatibility, plus the next gen archtecture at 200-220 GBP.

[KaineKinetic]

The new report says it's video output is 1200p and 1440p...
what???
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/...ls-xbox-tablet

[Steelmaker]

In regards to the proposed 720 report, from my perspective it looks like MS only wants gaming to be a small piece of the equation. It's certainly ambitious, I'll give them that. However nothing about these specs get me particularly excited from a gaming perspective. I'd say if you're a current 360 owner/supporter then you are naturally going to want to transition over to the 720. I mean why not? If you're happy with the 360 model why wouldn't you? You have full backwards compatibility with 360 content. I'm sure your current Live account will transition over to the 720 without a hitch. You have a more powerful system (though looking at the specs, its not quite as robust as I would've liked). Plus MS looks to ever increasingly expand their "one box solution for everything" business model.

From what I see, it also looks like MS will continue with their heavy dependence on 3rd parties for the majority of their gaming content. Personally I don't like that strategy because when you're so reliant on 3rd party cross platform titles, you do not get anything that's coded "close to the metal" to take full advantage of the system's capabilities. It's like the old PC strategy where games are coded to the lowest common denominator to ensure it runs on the greatest number of hardware configurations. I'm sure MS will continue to pay for such things as timed exclusive DLC and whatnot. However I would much rather see them put those resources towards internal development for exclusive IP's.

I will be interested in seeing what Sony's strategy will be for PS4. Personally, I don't give a crap about all the multimedia mumbo jumbo. I want a powerful GAMES machine first and foremost. I hope Sony still keeps this in perspective and makes that their #1 priority for PS4. If I had to break it down in simple terms, here's how I see MS and Sony...

MS strategy: Multimedia>Online>Gaming.

Sony strategy: Gaming>Online>Multimedia.

Sorry but I don't want a multi-media box. I want a machine that puts gaming at the highest priority. All of the other bells and whistles can be there but if they're not, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me because there are just too many other avenues you can easily get those services through. However there's only one place I can play God of War or Uncharted or Gran Turismo. I want gaming to be the primary foundation of the system.

[Elandyll]

If these specs are not fake I'll do like one of the commenters, I'll probably eat my elbows

1200 and 1440p? For which TVs are those resolutions?

Not one but -two- 6 cores procs at 3,1 Ghz ?

5Gb (not 4, or 6Gb - which always works better - cf Dual channel)?

One of the most damning example: LR-DIMM ram.

Really? SERVER memory, meant to be scalable up to 144Gb+ per processor?
Can someone explain to me why this is needed on a Video game CONSOLE?

Other reason why this is retarded:
16Gb DDR3 = approx $90
16Gb DDR3 LR DIMM = approx $300

See the problem?

Last idiotic element: support of 22.2 audio surround, because clearly 7.1 is not enough.

RIGHT?

P.S: and with all that, still no WiFi

No seriously guys, could we -not- discuss those specs as if they were serious? (same as the PS4 ones that "leaked" from Japan a few weeks ago, curiously enough with the same kind of "weird" 4K resolution outputs and 22.2 audio channel outputs)

[KaineKinetic]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

In regards to the proposed 720 report, from my perspective it looks like MS only wants gaming to be a small piece of the equation. It's certainly ambitious, I'll give them that. However nothing about these specs get me particularly excited from a gaming perspective. I'd say if you're a current 360 owner/supporter then you are naturally going to want to transition over to the 720. I mean why not? If you're happy with the 360 model why wouldn't you? You have full backwards compatibility with 360 content. I'm sure your current Live account will transition over to the 720 without a hitch. You have a more powerful system (though looking at the specs, its not quite as robust as I would've liked). Plus MS looks to ever increasingly expand their "one box solution for everything" business model.

From what I see, it also looks like MS will continue with their heavy dependence on 3rd parties for the majority of their gaming content. Personally I don't like that strategy because when you're so reliant on 3rd party cross platform titles, you do not get anything that's coded "close to the metal" to take full advantage of the system's capabilities. It's like the old PC strategy where games are coded to the lowest common denominator to ensure it runs on the greatest number of hardware configurations. I'm sure MS will continue to pay for such things as timed exclusive DLC and whatnot. However I would much rather see them put those resources towards internal development for exclusive IP's.

I will be interested in seeing what Sony's strategy will be for PS4. Personally, I don't give a crap about all the multimedia mumbo jumbo. I want a powerful GAMES machine first and foremost. I hope Sony still keeps this in perspective and makes that their #1 priority for PS4. If I had to break it down in simple terms, here's how I see MS and Sony...

MS strategy: Multimedia>Online>Gaming.

Sony strategy: Gaming>Online>Multimedia.

Sorry but I don't want a multi-media box. I want a machine that puts gaming at the highest priority. All of the other bells and whistles can be there but if they're not, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me because there are just too many other avenues you can easily get those services through. However there's only one place I can play God of War or Uncharted or Gran Turismo. I want gaming to be the primary foundation of the system.

NINTENDO FTW!!!

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

The new report says it's video output is 1200p and 1440p...
what???
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/...ls-xbox-tablet

That's obviously fake. I still believe the original 56 page document is legit though and don't have such ridiculous claims for their specs. Otherwise, Microsoft's lawyers wouldn't have swooped in to take it down so fast.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

If these specs are not fake I'll do like one of the commenters, I'll probably eat my elbows

1200 and 1440p? For which TVs are those resolutions?

Not one but -two- 6 cores procs at 3,1 Ghz ?

5Gb (not 4, or 6Gb - which always works better - cf Dual channel)?

One of the most damning example: LR-DIMM ram.

Really? SERVER memory, meant to be scalable up to 144Gb+ per processor?
Can someone explain to me why this is needed on a Video game CONSOLE?

Other reason why this is retarded:
16Gb DDR3 = approx $90
16Gb DDR3 LR DIMM = approx $300

See the problem?

Last idiotic element: support of 22.2 audio surround, because clearly 7.1 is not enough.

RIGHT?

P.S: and with all that, still no WiFi

No seriously guys, could we -not- discuss those specs as if they were serious? (same as the PS4 ones that "leaked" from Japan a few weeks ago, curiously enough with the same kind of "weird" 4K resolution outputs and 22.2 audio channel outputs)

Isn't this alleged Microsoft document supposed to be from a couple years ago? Maybe they were just making projections far ahead of time that just turned out to be way off from what we know today.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Isn't this alleged Microsoft document supposed to be from a couple years ago? Maybe they were just making projections far ahead of time that just turned out to be way off from what we know today.

LR-DIMM was always intended to be Server only Ram, and hugely expensive to boot.
22.2 channel audio is ... well, you know ... someone on crack, and the 1200/1440p was the stuff of pipe dreams 2 years ago. Now ... it's merely the stuff of $25.000 projectors.

The specs (can't say for the rest of the 56page document) are obviously false.

[R3P0]

Well the tablet itself is not fake as MS announced it yesterday. Did not look at the specs from the announcement and wont until i see a pricepoint.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

NINTENDO FTW!!!

I also said I wanted a "powerful" games machine! LOL! Sorry but Nintendo is pretty much dead to me now.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I also said I wanted a "powerful" games machine! LOL! Sorry but Nintendo is pretty much dead to me now.

They are dead until I see A Good Zelda and Metroid announced for Wii U

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by R3P0

They are dead until I see A Good Zelda and Metroid announced for Wii U

No offense dude but, damn doesn't that shit get old to you after a while? Wouldnt' you rather Nintendo invest in coming up with some new creative IP's instead re-hashing that shit over and over?

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

No offense dude but, damn doesn't that shit get old to you after a while? Wouldnt' you rather Nintendo invest in coming up with some new creative IP's instead re-hashing that shit over and over?

I have to agree. I still love those franchises but I'm tired of Nintendo taking so few risks and not creating new IP's. Even worse now they're putting those stupid Mii's in games like Mario. Miyamoto is a creative guy. I'm sure he could create some great new Nintendo IP's if they wanted him to. You'd think with their stock price so low they'd take some risks rather than more of the same.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

No offense dude but, damn doesn't that shit get old to you after a while? Wouldnt' you rather Nintendo invest in coming up with some new creative IP's instead re-hashing that shit over and over?

Nope I want something as good as Super Metroid or Ocarina of Time, This is Nintendo, they need to do what they do best.

[venjomizer]

on the bluray thats 50 / 50 possible cause i don't think MS will pay for the royalty rights

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by venjomizer

on the bluray thats 50 / 50 possible cause i don't think MS will pay for the royalty rights

I think they'll cave in. Blu-ray for next-gen games is essential. Microsoft would be fools to continue with DVD9.

[MifuneFan]

From what I've read, it'll have a BD drive, but it won't support movie playback. If true, then they don't have to pay any licensing fee (similar to the Wii with the DVD drive). It'd be a major slap in the face to consumers of course, and just another sign of MS being sore losers in the HD format war.